If destiny had a loot system that wasn't lazily coded and made any sense at all (Ie not being able to camp a level 4 area when you're 15+ levels higher and get any loot) then we wouldn't have the loot cave problem to begin with. All this talk about a RNG loot system in the crucible is crap as well. If you've played as many matches as I have it is easy to see that the 2-12, 5-18 etc. useless leech player of the team gets the best equipment at least 75% of the time. Random, yeah right. Just trying to keep the crappy players geared up to be interested long enough to buy a few dlc it seems like. I dunno, maybe the game was overhyped or something but for a game I had pre-ordered for over a year I am pretty let down overall now.