Well i have heard much debate about how "guardian isn't lockout" "Lockout can still be remade. I want to put to rest these arguments as much as i can for the better. I loved the original lockout like most of you do, guardian is a so called "spiritual successor" to the map but a lot of people think its far to different.
Now lets look at the maps
[url=http://h2.halowiki.net/images/b/ba/Lockout0.jpg] Lockout [/url]
[url=http://www.wired.com/images/article/magazine/1509/H3_MP_Guardian_Env4.jpg] guardian[/url]
Comparing:
Well in general the main platform and yellow lift are present in both of the maps and they both have "green rooms" where the shotguns lie there. The main platfoms are where a lot of the action is in both maps, and the main platform is generally where you can access the rest of the map, The yellow lifts are same for the most part. The lifts are close to the same in size and serve the same purpose and are in the same general area. Both maps are fairly small and suit the same amounts of players.
Contrasting:
To start the sword room is non existent in guardian and the hammer room is non existent in lockout. The structures are overall different while they try to capture the same feel. The looks are obviously very different. Lockout was a flood research facility while guardian is, whatever it is. There is higher ground in lockout, guardian doesnt have skyroofs like lockouts. A big difference is the jumping factor. Being successful in lockout was all about jumping. Practiced and well placed jumps could get you around the map with ease. This concept is not present in guardian, mainly because if the mancannons, lockout had no man cannons. In general the maps do contrast quite a bit
Concluding:
Guardian is a spritual successor of lockout, it never was supposed to be lockout exactly, the maps do contrast quite a bit and after a while guardian doesnt feel the same as lockout did. I believe that bungie could remake lockout as moonlight sonata if they really wanted to or in a future map, but i still think that moonlight sonata is chill out.
If i missed anything in here please inform me so i can update this thread every now and then thank you for reading :)
-arbiter 343
[Edited on 03.19.2008 10:39 PM PDT]
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[quote]Wow, people are going to bite my head off... Lockout was good but I am just not seeing why people constantly obsess over it. I would MUCH rather see a new, original, map than a remake of Lockout, Avalanche will be awesome because Sidewinder is awesome. To the OP, you bring up valid points, I used to think that Guardian was a remake of Lockout, but the more I play it, the more that image burns away.[/quote] you bring up good points, a new original map does deserve to be made instead of just a remake of lockout, people ask for remakes remakes remakes, they just dont want to see any change which is why many were dissapointed with guardian
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Wow, people are going to bite my head off... Lockout was good but I am just not seeing why people constantly obsess over it. I would MUCH rather see a new, original, map than a remake of Lockout, Avalanche will be awesome because Sidewinder is awesome. To the OP, you bring up valid points, I used to think that Guardian was a remake of Lockout, but the more I play it, the more that image burns away.
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[quote]guardian is great but it is too small[/quote] how is it too small? i think its fine the way it is, its supposed to be small
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guardian is great but it is too small
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guardian is still a good map, i just think that it can be remade because the maps are different enough so in other words i am supporting those who say moonlight sonata can be lockout. I am not saying it will because with the evidence ive seen i think it seems more like chill out
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i could be wrong, but i heard that Guardian was originally meant to be a remake of Lockout, but within the final few weeks of development, Guardian turned out somewhat different I think Guardian is better in any case. It is slightly larger, and is much better designed, and definitely much more fun. Lockout shouldn't be remade. It is too similar to Guardian, and that would mean there is two rather similar maps in the same game. Keep it how it is - Guardian is better [Edited on 03.19.2008 10:55 PM PDT]
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Hell yes, I would love to see Halo 2's Lockout on Halo 3 :) that would make me sooo soo much happier. I mean Lockout was my 2nd favorite Halo 2 map. Turf is 1st :). I think moonlight sonata will be like Midship Ohh yeahh i also think that Epitaph is simmilar to colossus. [Edited on 03.19.2008 10:56 PM PDT]
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i would really like to see lockout in halo 3, just so i dont have to get out halo 2
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Kind of like High Ground and Last Resort. High Ground had the same concept of Zanzibar. Beach, base, obstacles such as opening gates, etc. Yet they still decided to remake Zanzibar into Last Resort. I see no problem in having a Guardian and a new Lockout.
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The shotgun spawns in the green area on both maps which also has a drop down from above into it.
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Personaly for me i think that it is just like lockout i mean if you see that in the Mlg Guardian v4 on snipe 3 there is the sniper and on lockout its there to and also elbow is also kind of close to the guardian remake so yah i think its the same
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Exactly why Lockout can, and should be remade. Guardian has similar elements, but it has a much different layout and setup. If you think about it, every map has similar things in it. Lockout and Guardian may be a bit more similar, but that doesn't mean they don't play differently or even look differently.