Im sorry, but DeeJ has to be one of the worst community managers ever if he reads this and doesn't respond.

TELL DEEJ TO KILL HIMSELF! HE ANSWERED ME THAT WAY! Be warned of his ninja warning tactics, feggit Dj.

No random. I hold down the gate solo.That is my Titans job. The other side is held down by a Titan and Hunter. When we have an extra Titan, I change to a striker and play body guard/oracle back up. Don't mess with those of us that have taken the time to make our guardians better to support everyone. Rather than running around screaming and moaning when some dies that was trying to do their job but died because no one else did theirs. BTW: I graduated on June 18 with a BA in Video Game Design. I went to school because of Bungie and still love the studio. But you guys really need to pull it together and remember what made you great. Look at how much of the books made it into Halo 3. Look how fans created lore and love of those game. REMEMBER your fans Bungie, not screaming children upset at anything, but the good and the bad criticism that you listened too and helped make great games even greater.

The change to strategy is so minor, I can't actually believe that people are complaining.

Until 3 warlocks can die other 3 get ported they re raise & we still do it our way

Why does anyone want a response from DeeJ at this point? At best he'll tell you that is a problem and we are working on it. At worst he'll hem and haw and make some vague politician like statement. For Example: I'm not hear to make promises but we are listening. I'd rather DeeJ told everyone to -blam!- off than this hot air he has been spewing lately.

Too many people crying over this its not even a big deal the raid is easy enough its good that they are making it more random. Even hard was getting too easy everyone had the same exact strategy to do the raid and that was the only viable way. (Not saying every single fireteam did it the exact same but most do). When everyone is doing something the same way its not even fun you have to change it up some. And those who say "I havn't even done the raid I cant find a group why are they making it harder?" Well stop crying and go online there are plenty of forums and sites dedicated in finding groups it takes less than a few minutes and youll be in a fireteam. And if for some reason its hard than obviously you are too low of a lvl.

too many people think feedback=must change it my way. feedback can be given, it can be read and considered, doesnt mean they have to or will change it they way the feedback submitter wants.

Let's be honest, as long Bungie maintains the statement that raids are not for everyone they will do anything to slow down the process. They have released the numbers for how many players completed the raid and it seems they think that too many players have finished the VOG and reaped the rewards because it's too easy. That is a problem for them because they need to keep us in game until the next DLC comes out which will be out in more than 2 months from now on. That's why there will be no improvements to benefit the players and just haste to make changes that slows down the completion at least until the next DLC comes out. Chances are VOG might be improved based on the players feedback but only after the new raid comes out. There is a fine line between company policy and customer satisfaction, I understand the dilemma there is no new content until the new DLC but that's a miscalculation on their part so the community should not have to pay for it. As for Bungie, please stop looking at the raid only through hardcore gamers eyes which might be finished or well on their way gearing up but not the casuals and don't forget that the casuals are the community majority. Unless you want them all out, now would be the time to actually listen to the community feedback, most importantly say what you do and do what you say.

I feel like bungie is ray allen at the moment and all the good ideas that come in are the spurs player flying by... Bungie is still doing what they want to do anyway....

[quote]"I'm fine with the update as long a they put the Atheon random porting in the hard mode difficulty only, by then most players should know how to handle each encounter and role. It's called hard mode for a reason, keep normal alone so fresh raiders can still learn the raid."[/quote] This would imply Bungie has enough competence to perform a task like splitting two pieces of content, what in their history, or in the lifetime of Destiny has implied anyone in Bungie has this much capability? they couldn't separate PVE and PVP fixes, they couldn't fix the myriad of bugs that still persist, hell, they couldn't even provide a complete product at launch, to expect them to have any form of ingenuity, credibility, or skill is giving them more credit than they are worth, given their current behavior.

Bungie blabs about how they want us all to work together to master the strike, we respond by putting together our Relic Team and Portal Team. Bungie then nerfs our teamwork by making the Relic Team random? WTF weren't the different classes created to make the Guardians better at one thing or another? Titans take more damage so they are better on the Relic Team, Bungie you are screwing up your whole game concept with too much tinkering.

the amount of crying over having to go into the portal is INSANE. The jobs in the portal are as simple as.....lob a greande at enemies below you/shoot oracles....or grab shield and pound enemies below you and cleanse friendlies. Why is that so hard?

I think that hard mode is a good idea, but honestly I think that random teleporting in normal should be okay and hard should be above that. I (and two others) entered the VoG for the first time last night (seriously the first thing I did in the Templar battle was step off the edge...) and got the universal remote, aetheons auto rifle and a legendary chest piece. Didn't know any of the fights but the guy who led us explained it well, we wiped probably 5 times per encounter and finished in maybe 90 minutes. I went from spinning around thinking 'wait, what's an oracle, why are they telling me to use the relic, use it how?' To actually contributing. Could we have done it that well without someone who had done it before? No of course not, but with half of us with no experience and level 27 I'd say if anything that it was too easy (or perhaps with no people with experience which is who it would be geared towards just right), hard mode to me should be hard. For example in addition to the relic holder cleansing/damaging things it could stack a debuff that increases damage taken by 1%,2%, 3% per second meaning you have to drop it and switch holders, or maybe a stacking DoT. This to me would stop one person being the 'relic' holder and ensure that all people would eventually be able to fulfill most roles. I understand why people are annoyed, that they had learnt roles and things that had worked for their fireteam etc. that it helped hide inexperienced members by loading the responsibility more on other members, but is that really best? Yes people will die more, yes people will have to learn new roles and might get teleported into the portals and have to figure out who is grabbing the relic/killing oracles. But that's what the RAID is for! It was supposed to require coordination, team work, changing strategies on the fly, working together and altering things if someone got an unlucky strike and dies. Relic holder died, just going to wipe or can someone else pick up the relic for the 30seconds it'll take to get him back? If this means you go from a 1 hour clear back to a 2 hour clear (or 3 or 4) until all your members are better skilled them to me that's better, it's not a loot pinata that you hit until your exotic falls out, it's the end game content that is supposed to be the culmination of your skills not 'Hey, can you run me through VoG?' If it were too easy then we'd just see 'OMG Bungie this is too easy, now everyone is getting raid items, can't believe you nerfed this!' Final thought: I wish that it were harder (and more so than 'Lol that blast just does 3x the damage as usual, one shot, learn to dodge better') and there were more mechanics to master needed for each boss (also the gorgon maze was two corridors...the hardest part for me was going down that dark tunnel with all the drops, I couldn't see crap without throwing grenades with my brightness up :P)