[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Bubblegum death Nice to see Im not the only person that thought bungie went to hell after leaving microsoft.[/quote] Far from the only one. The whole aerospace fail is a BIG sign of that. If bungie had tried this 5 years back they would have been flooded with Indie developers wanting to jump of the bungie/Microsoft name ... but now?? (even HSB was done as a 12 week favour by an ex-business partner/friend) Its also kinda fun watching Activision trying to manage bungie, the grief that went out over the Tokyo no-show was classic. I know activision have a default hook into bungie based on the sales advance $$ they paid up, but what use is any private share hold in bungie if the company's crashed.