I never had any expectations from the alpha or beta of destiny being anything else then what it ended being. I do think that for those that felt defiance was a let down, and dust514 is a joke. Destiny succeeded in doing what it said it wasn't. It not totally a mmo, but by the endgame it really feels like one. And it does it better then any so far on consoles. Warframe what? DCUO? No. Those that love to churn and grind and get stronger will love this game. Those that don't beat Darksouls and jump into another game, no but keep playing DS to get stronger, those will love destiny. What happened with done and won stories? The kind that you pick and play and jump into another game? They over at nintendo. And i don't mind it. games asking for more investment, into thier worlds is awesome. Maybe it's my clan mentality, but we stay in games months on end, diseccting every bit, till another game comes in that we move to. And for games like destiny, come back too. Rainbow Six and The devision are coming down the pike. Asking for more commiment then just pick up and play and discard with a "well that was a nice story" It annoys me, when many discarded Last if us after beating story, and moved to another game. "Well TLOU was awesome. Can't wait to play my little pony now!" Damn man! You just actually missed on one very interesting part of the game! Multiplayer! Very engaging with a social aspect to it, and cool way of putting your real life loved ones pics in game. That alone extends the game for months. But for those people game ends in 2 weeks. Tsk.