The problem is how ppl react to design choices by calling them flaws. Most of these choices are made because of the different style of game they are going for rather than a halo knock off Split screen, it's just not an option. If Split screen was there how would the game know what the guest lvl or gear is? You would have to have 2 gold accounts on Xbox live or psn to play multiplayer features such as strikes or crucible. It's huge factors like those that made bungie choose SP only. But it's amazing how ppl think because they created halo they have to stick the same design choices, Proximity chat. I don't think ppl even know what this is before they ask for it. It's chat in a variable distance. Which yes potentially can be huge is this type of setting, but voice chat has changed over the years, most people don't even use it. Destiny should have chat in strikes and crucible games, and I have no doubt they will add it in later. OP, I agree that there are a lot of people trying to make destiny the game they want it to be, but the truth is most ppl on these forums have probably never played this kind of game before. It's basically an mmo using fps elements, and people think it's something like halo when it's probably the furthest thing from halo other than the fps genre. See people are too wrapped up in hype, and bungie/Activision are feeding that hype. Destiny will be a good game and I think the series will last the 10 year deal and we will see more innovation in future games. But right now there is nothing we can do to change destiny or people's minds until people get a true feel of the full game Sept 9.