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Edited by Solkard:
7/23/2014 8:32:47 PM
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I am actually somewhat underwhelmed by the "open world" aspect. It seems rather deserted and desolate.
I understand the whole of humanity is hiding in the city and only the guardians have started to really venture outward, but where are the lives and communities built by the enemies? All you've seen so far are relatively small squads of enemies.
The Earth currently has what, 6 or 7 billion people? In a "golden age", I'd expect that population to at least double as people have 3x lifespans and can migrate to different planets.
With that in mind, an enemy force that can so completely overwhelm those numbers should themselves be comparable in size. So where did they all go after the Collapse? According to the story, it's been several centuries since. Have they all just been sitting on the sidelines, twiddling their thumbs?
Shouldn't there be continent spanning crypts filled with millions of Hive Thralls, Knights, Acolytes, etc? Even if the Fallen have "fallen" I'd expect their numbers to still be overwhelming, when faced against a fireteam of 3 guardians. The amount of force it took to essentially "take down" the House of Devils was rather laughable, in the scope of things.
Where is the "oh shit" moment when you stumble into a cavern full of thousands of waking Hive? Or the ruins of a city crawling with hundreds of Fallen troops, comprised of several houses?
While the general scenery did convey as sense of loss, I felt there lacked a sense of tension that should exist in a world lost and overrun by dark forces that could at any moment, rise up and snuff out the last of humanity.
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That would be so awesome, just walking along the frontier and suddenly being ambushed by a squad of fallen and you fight your way out and just as you are On your last clip, other guardians arrive and turn the tide!
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Where is all that stuff? I don't know maybe we will find out when like the game comes out idk
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Don't forget, the beta took place in Russian which today is pretty much mostly empty land but then again the world's population has increases a lot so more of Russia was probably settled. Maybe we'll see the things you said later in the game.
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Read the Grimoire
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There are tunnels under Russia. I've not explored them because the enemies there are all ??? so I'd rather not go in and die but you're welcome to venture on. Maybe you'll find what you think is missing?
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Yeah, they out to be shallow dead-ended ditches once you level high enough to kill the 2 or 3 level 11 mobs standing at their entrance.
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There are chests down there, I've ran in got them and ran out. Or got it and died. lol
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The Demographic Transition model. The more technologically advanced a nation gets, the population increase lowers.
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[quote]I am actually somewhat underwhelmed by the "open world" aspect. It seems rather deserted and desolate. I understand the whole of humanity is hiding in the city and only the guardians have started to really venture outward, but where are the lives and communities built by the enemies? All you've seen so far are relatively small squads of enemies. The Earth currently has what, 6 or 7 billion people? In a "golden age", I'd expect that population to at least double as people have 3x lifespans and can migrate to different planets. With that in mind, an enemy force that can so completely overwhelm those numbers should themselves be comparable in size. So where did they all go after the Collapse? According to the story, it's been several centuries since. Have they all just been sitting on the sidelines, twiddling their thumbs? Shouldn't there be continent spanning crypts filled with millions of Hive Thralls, Knights, Acolytes, etc? Even if the Fallen have "fallen" I'd expect their numbers to still be overwhelming, when faced against a fireteam of 3 guardians. The amount of force it took to essentially "take down" the House of Devils was rather laughable, in the scope of things. Where is the "oh shit" moment when you stumble into a cavern full of thousands of waking Hive? Or the ruins of a city crawling with hundreds of Fallen troops, comprised of several houses? While the general scenery did convey as sense of loss, I felt there lacked a sense of tension that should exist in a world lost and overrun by dark forces that could at any moment, rise up and snuff out the last of humanity.[/quote] You do realize alot of humans probably left earth after we could traverse the stars and explored the galaxy, only the people on earth have been wiped out and the game is not going to be confined to earth, we'll be exploring other worlds so we'll probably see human colonies all over the place
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I actually agree with you, more should be going on but I also agree that this is the Beta and we're still to see so much. You're right there should be massive hordes of Hive and Fallen that make you shit your pants, but I don't think they're going for that in this game. I guess we will see in due time...
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You ever think that maybe we will learn answers to those questions when we play the story of the full game?
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Edited by Spycon: 7/23/2014 8:57:20 PMMy "Oh shit!" moment was in the Alpha when I discovered the Grottos and all the Thralls started running toward me with a "??" above their head, that's when my heart skipped a beat and I ran the -blam!- away from there.
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It is underwhelming, because it is a beta
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Edited by Solkard: 7/23/2014 10:28:45 PMI sincerely hope that's the case. The progression seems to be Russia -> Moon. If old Russian is the extent of Earth content, then I will be extremely disappointed. Worse would be if the other planets followed a similar pattern. I am hoping Russia is the way it is, because it's the "starting" zone.
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If you look at the Old Russia map,you can see something to the east that's called Gateway.Maybe it continues on there?I'm sure it does and i'm pretty sure Old Russia will be alot bigger .This is Bungie,they always have more things up their sleeves ;)
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Look at it this way, right now we are only getting a taste, of what the launch edition will offer. On top of that any additions, through our feedback, that seems feasible to add by launch. I am sure a good portiin of suggestions, as far as chat and small functionality things can be worked on. While hard coded items will be tough or impossible to change. You ask, how can i believe this? Well i was fortunate enough to play the Alpha, and it was the fraction of the size that the beta is. And there had been MANY NOTICIBLE things that have been changed since the alpha, because of community feedback. In essence, the final producr will be massive, more immersive and the story that will be unravled will be expansive. I honestly cant wait.
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There's Chicago, Caracas I believe, European Border Zones (I think that's what it's called) and others. We haven't even seen all of Old Russia.
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As per the population, it's not the golden age anymore man. It's post apocalyptic where humanity was nearly exterminated
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Yeah, but I'm not talking about the human population. I was talking about the enemy population. They wiped us out, we didn't wipe them out. So where are all their people? Even if the planet is devoid of humans, it should be crawling with Hive, Fallen, Cabal, etc.
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It wasn't the Aliens that wiped out humanity it was the mysterious darkness, and from what I gather the other races are in trouble too. Why else would they be fighting over humanities resources and land?
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That is a good point, though at the very least, the Hive is stated as " a reminder of the tremendous power that brought forth the Collapse.", implying they were directly involved in that conflict.
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the thing is I never really got the impression the hive WANTED to settle down on our planet they seemed more like soldiers on the from lines, id imagine they have no interest in populating earth simply wiping out life on it and moving on. especially since they have a there own planets to live on.
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Was that noted somewhere? I'd love to see more lore if you found it somewhere. Seeing as how they are on Earth in Russia, as well as supposedly inhabiting an installation on the Moon, during a supposed "downtime" in the conflict, my impression is that they are interested in places to settle. While I can hope that the moon installation has a sizable number of them, the handful that pop up in Russia don't have that imposing a presence, beyond having one or two units being a higher level and one-shotting you.
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Oh damn I never knew that lol
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Exactly
