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Edited by Nemo: 7/15/2014 6:15:44 PM
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The fact that marijuana is illegal isn't much of a deterrent; a decent dealer and $30, and you're set. The amount of jobs that could be created from growing the plant, plus the money the US government could make from taxing it like cigarettes or alcohol, is simply too much to ignore. And denying that marijuana is beneficial in any way is justified only by bias and propaganda, which is a shitty excuse to begin with. And that is my view on the subject. EDIT: Listen to Mulder, guys.
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  • Edited by GuN: 7/15/2014 6:47:57 PM
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    [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pD_UBsq7e7c]This man has the most pragmatic view on the subject, in my opinion.[/url]

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  • Edited by GuN: 7/15/2014 6:45:42 PM
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    Fun fact I learned, apparently the social costs of alcohol and tobacco use (hospital, cancer, drunk driving,etc.) far outweigh the profit made from the drugs([url]http://www.greenfacts.org/en/alcohol/figtableboxes/table21b.htm[/url]) . Plus Big Marijuana( and Big Tobacco companies that wanna take control over marijuana supply), the research on marijuana's link to psychosis is in the same stage as tobacco's link to lung cancer was in 1950; not 100 percent. So drug companies marketed their drug as safe, doctors couldn't do anything, when doctors found the biological mechanism on how tobacco causes cancer, drug companies grew too strong (lobby groups), so even though there was massive education, it cost a lot to make Big Tobacco quiet down, and all of that money (if Big Tobacco didn't exist) could have gone to research and stuff. Which is why the AMA doesn't want a repeat of Big Tobacco and put leashes on Big Marijuana companies in their infancies; and I think that is a fair point. And since legalization increases weed use among teens (Dutch holds the honor of having the most teens using cannabis in Europe, which is why they are eliminating 100s of coffee shops and making strong weed illegal to sell in "coffee" shops), and how there's an significant increase in the amount of teens in Denver who smoke weed since Colorado legalized it, I (well doctors, I think their view is the best) think that education is important in any legalization initiative, because kids shouldn't be smoking cannabis daily. I don't tell people this often, but I had an older brother with schizophrenia, who committed suicide; I think the genetic studies show 20-25 percent of the population carries genes for psychosis, and (daily or consistent) use of cannabis in adolescence increases the risk of psychosis by a factor of 4-6 if you do it before 16; this is a minority, but a significant minority (thousands and thousands of people). Even if it is a small amount of people who would not become psychotic if they didn't abuse cannabis during their youth, I still think (to me) that is significant because it hurt my family so much when my brother became ill--and when he shot himself. And, in med school, the psychiatrists say the same thing; the psych inpatient units are full of kids who abuse weed--and probably wouldn't be there if they had only smoked occasionally (or not at all); I just want education. I don't care about legalization. Legalization or no legalization, education programs targeted at adolescents and their families. That being said, the people who say "it is the government making these education programs to make the herb look bad" are just as stupid as the people who started the war on drugs; doctors are spending a lot of time on these education programs to cut down consistent cannabis use among teens. And that is my view on this subject. And I respect yours (and Mulder's) just as much.

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  • And I, similarly, respect yours, if only because you've phrased your argument better than these flamers and D.A.R.E. kiddies have. And let me say, genuinely, that I'm deeply sorry for your loss.

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    Thanks, I really appreciate that; mental illness is stigmatized, a lot of people thought (instead of being psychotic and having an * biological illness* ) he was being melodramatic. [url=http://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/the-effects-of-cannabis-use-on-mental-health-by-amir-englund-and-robin-m--murray]The general census in the medical community is we're talking about less than a quarter of the population that could be at risk if they a) start smoking cannabis in adolescence and b) if it's daily. D.A.R.E and those other people think it's 100 percent of the population; when in reality it's somewhere about 20 percent of the population (and even then *daily* use since a *young* age)[/url] I don't mind people who smoke weed, just people who don't think that there is a minority of the population that can have an adverse effect to cannabis( and most doctors, and scientists now do think there is a vulnerable minority). That being said, vast majority of the population seem to be fine with it, and, you know, (hard to estimate) but I say a 1/4 of my classmates in med school smoke weed, and they seem to be fine with it. And of course, these are your future neurosurgeons, family doctors, pediatricians, oncologists, etc. So again I think education is crucial, and in Canada, doctors launched one (aimed at teens and their families),

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