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originally posted in: Spartan IV´s Aren´t Even Spartans
10/18/2013 5:35:21 PM
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After reading through this thread a little, I'm not going to argue about which Spartans are better, because it seems like quite a few people have covered it. I do, however have a problem with the fact that 343 states that the IV's are just as good as the II's because more advanced armor. It seems like a lazy route to explain something away, and makes me feel like the journey I went through with the Spartan II's while reading the books was all for naught.
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  • Technology marches on. What was once extremely difficult to achieve can now be accomplished easily.

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  • In 20 years while at total war and loosing in every front? Yeah, no. As much as 343 paints it to be, the UNSC doesn´t have infinite reserves of resources, especially after most of their colonies have been glassed.

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  • Except apparently they do. They had the resources to outfit a ship with alien weaponry and still have enough to make hundreds of new Spartans.

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  • Which, by anyone with common sense and using a bit of logic, is hands down impossible. Infinity shouldn´t even exist to begin with really. Other ships outfitted with Forerunner tech is possible, not much more than that. A whole Spartan project on the level the SIV´s is is also impossible given the state of the UNSC post-war.

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  • I like how everyone points to Infinity and the Spartan IVs as examples of the UEG's "infinite resources" (and 343i's shitty writing) yet they're perfectly fine with the MJOLNIR Mk. VI being deployed mere months after Mk. V, and the Spartan III program marching on without any issues whatsoever (even training an entirely new generation of III's) right up to the invasion of Earth. You realize Infinity was in development for 20 years, right? Stopping the development of mankind's best hope for survival would not only be literal suicide, but economic suicide. They'd be flushing trillions down the toilet if they canned it. And the Spartan IV program is a cheaper continuation of the Spartan III program, meaning it only makes more sense given that it costs less than what they were doing before.

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  • Edited by anton1792: 10/19/2013 1:14:33 PM
    [quote]I like how everyone points to Infinity and the Spartan IVs as examples of the UEG's "infinite resources" (and 343i's shitty writing)[/quote] We all know the UEG doesn't have infinite resources though, so it's just the latter. [quote]yet they're perfectly fine with the MJOLNIR Mk. VI being deployed mere months after Mk. V,[/quote] Hm. How many suits of MkIV were made? 75. How many Spartans remained operational after the augmentations to use them? 33, I distinctly recall. So that leaves quite a few spare suits that could be retrofitted with improvements for Mk V and MkVI rather than crafting new suits from scratch. How many Mk VI suits were confirmed to have been made and deployed? 1, wasn't it? I think that actually demonstrates the UNSC's rapidly diminishing resources that they went from 33 Mk V's to just 1 confirmed MkIV. The improvements that were made to MkIV over MkV weren't as large as the gaps between preceding generations, and only featured the addition of biofoam injectors, some minor alterations to the efficiency of the shields and some HUD software upgrades. That's all a far cry from equating it to pulling hundreds of Gen. 2 suits out of nowhere only months after MkVI, is it not? [quote]and the Spartan III program marching on without any issues whatsoever (even training an entirely new generation of III's) right up to the invasion of Earth. [/quote] Right, so the Spartan-IV program could have been seen as the natural continuation of that program. The Spartan-III program was able to do that though because of the lack of Mjolnir armour, remember? If the UNSC has always had the ability to pull hundreds of Mjolnir suits out of its ass, then the III's should have had them all along. At the least, Gamma company should have been equipped with it, or at the very least field testing it, rather than being shipped with SPI armour. [quote]You realize Infinity was in development for 20 years, right? Stopping the development of mankind's best hope for survival would not only be literal suicide, but economic suicide. They'd be flushing trillions down the toilet if they canned it.[/quote] *queries "Mankind's best hope for survival"...* [quote]And the Spartan IV program is a cheaper continuation of the Spartan III program, meaning it only makes more sense given that it costs less than what they were doing before.[/quote] How? They added fully operational Mjolnir armour AND expanded the project's recruitment parameters whilst having vastly diminished military-industrial and economic power, along with a crippled infrastructure, and still managed to make it cheaper? Wait, don't answer that; the answer's already in your first paragraph.

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  • [quote]Which, by anyone with common sense and using a bit of logic, is hands down impossible.[/quote] So is making galaxy-killing space donuts. What's your point?

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  • Really? Jesus, you really can´t admit when you´re wrong huh? Just like my brother. Start making absolute bullshit up to save yourself, even if it has nothing to do with what we´re talking about. Seriously, grow up.

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  • If you think you're going to get the last word with AIHT, you're sorely mistaken. Seriously, you could be arguing about whether the world is flat or round and he'd still continue replying, regardless if he's incorrect or not.

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  • You're the one attacking the story itself instead of the matter at hand. I'm not denying that it doesn't make sense, but it isn't a matter of logic, as it's a fictional story. They could have Thel 'Vadam riding unicorns while the Gravemind shits a rainbow and it'd still be canon. If 343 says the UNSC has that kind of funding, then they do, and that's all there is to it, even if it is illogical.

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