Oh my god can we stop with the batman bs superman threads and try a more evenly matched fight

Creation process for superman: "Let's make a hero that can do, hmm..." "Everything?" "Perfect, then we will add even more ridiculous powers to him over the next 75 years, until there is no possible way he can lose to anyone." Thank god he doesn't have many of his stupid powers anymore.

Batman For any of my reasons to make sense, you must accept only one fact: Batman is smarter than Superman, especially in the tactical/combat sense. If you cannot accept this, then you are to stubborn to see reason, and there is little hope for you First of all, Batman and Superman never had a one on one fight with no outside help or modifiers in a comic book. However, that doesn't mean we can't have this argument. Some people (Gojira) just say that superman would just go and beat the -blam!- out of Batman, Because he is physically superior in every way. He is. And a fight is just a measure of physical capability, right? Wrong Who would win in a fight, Batman or a Tiger? Obviously Batman Superman or Doomsday? Superman, duh, it happened Batman vs. Solomon Grundy Batman. Detecting a pattern? The Batman is weaker than a tiger or solomon grundy, and Superman is weaker than Doomsday. But the reason they win is because they are smarter than their enemies. The smarter man wins is shown in many stories, like David and Goliath and even the Tortoise and the Hare. Not only does this appear in stories, but in real life. Sun Tzu, perhaps the most well known tactician ever, has many great quotes. Go to this [url=http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/s/sun_tzu.html]link[/url] and you will see many things that almost perfectly describe Batman. My favorite is "Be extremely subtle, even to the point of formlessness. Be extremely mysterious, even to the point of soundlessness. Thereby you can be the director of the opponent's fate." Who else describes that? To be fair, I need to put in a real life quote for Superman too:"The most effective way to do it is to do it." Seems to describe Superman fairly well, right. Well guess whose quote that was. It was Amelia Earhart's. So it doesn't work out that great in real life. The smarter man always wins is even prevalent in superman comics. Why do you think Superman doesn't fight Lex Luthor as much anymore? Because the writers realize how ridiculous the plots would have to be for Superman to beat him. THE SMARTER MAN WILL WIN. which is when people say "Batman wins because he's Batman" they are stating that Batman is smarter than his opponent, always. That is such a part of Batman that he isn't the same without it.

If we are going by the comics, Batman. Why? Because he's Batman. He has the thickest plot armor of anyone in comic books. Even Spiderman eventually died.

Superman would rip Batman's spine out

FOR THE LAST F.UCKING TIME I WOULD SOLO BOTH LIKE THE INSECTS THEY ARE. END OF DISCUSSION.

Superman. Batman always beats Superman huh? Batman has never defeated Superman in canon, and when he does beat him in a non-canon story, Superman is never completely defeated and Batman is usually in shambles. Batman is always prepared? Just because Batman has a plan, doesn't it will work - especially since Superman will also have a plan in place to put down Batman in case he ever goes rogue. Batman has kryptonite? Superman can counter Kryptonite in various ways, primarily either by acquiring a radiation suit or by exposing himself to enough yellow sun radiation in order to grant immunity from kryptonite. In addition, Superman has fought Kryptonite based villains such as Metallo many times and always emerges as the victor, he even fought against Batman whom was made entirely out of Kryptonite and still won. Batman is smarter than Superman? Nope. Superman possesses the ability of Super-thought, allowing him to process information at speeds even Batman cannot fathom (he read every single medical book ever published within minutes in the New 52), he also out matches Lex Luthor and Brainiac (the smartest beings on Earth and the entire galaxy). Superman has even used his x-ray vision to analysis Batman's utility belt and found several ways to improve his gadgets. Batman is a better fighter than Superman? This is debatable. However people often say that Superman is merely a brawler and inexperienced as a martial artist, which is untrue as Superman has been trained in both Torquasm Rao and Vo - both of which are Kryptonian martial arts. Batman admits that Superman would win. "If Clark wanted to, he could use his superspeed and squish me into the cement. But I know how he thinks. Even more than the Kryptonite, he's got one big weakness. Deep down, Clark's essentially a good person... and deep down, I'm not." Here Batman also implies that Superman always holds back when fighting him, suggesting that a fair fight between the two would result in a swift victory for Superman. I prefer Batman over Superman, but I won't blindly defend him just because I prefer him.

Whichever one Gojira doesn't want to win. Edit: holy crap that nerd loves bumping this shit. XD

I want to believe and say Batman because A, he's batman and B, I hate Superman. But even if batman had his contingency plan and kryptonite bullets, superman would rock his world. OP one dimensional superman. :(

Batman has better games, so Batman wins!