When I went to pre-order Destiny at GameStop, the employee handed me a sheet of upcoming games, some with release dates and some without. The sheet said October 26th 2013! I asked the employee 3 TIMES and he said it wasn't a placeholder and IT WAS CONFIRMED! I believe him, do you?
EDIT: I've muted anyone who tries to waste my time by arguing.
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If I was a GameStop employee I'd be troll too! [spoiler]when you're asked the same stupid question by hundreds of ppl I would start having fun with them and making shit up. Like fake release date lists. [/spoiler]