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The story sucks in Halo 4. Don't fool yourself in thinking it is good.
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  • Edited by Lord of Admirals: 3/28/2013 6:05:04 PM
    I would love for you to explain to me why it's a bad story.

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  • Bad guy wakes up, bad guy gets weapon to blow everything up(shitty story tactic), Master Chief is immune to this super weapon, Master Chief kills bad guy. Literally nothing else happens other than you learn that Prometheans have humans souls, which was so obvious my brain hurt because the planet is called Requiem. Even the Didact says "So humans have not claimed the Mantle of Responsibility then" Which no one will -blam!-ing understand unless they read two separate books.

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  • "Ship crashes on big ring, big ring can destroy galaxy, you blow up the big ring. The end." Overgeneralizing an entire story and thinking it proves a point is a fallacy. Any story can be dumbed down, even great masterpieces. All it does is make you look like an ass. But let's look at this for a second: how does the Composer (which doesn't even blow anything up, btw, proving already you weren't paying attention) make any less sense than a giant space hulla-hoop that can magically destroy the galaxy? What makes the Composer a "shitty storytelling tactic?" Using your logic, any huge WMD in any story makes for shitty stories, so you then have to throw out Halo, the Death Star, the One Ring and every superhero plot in history as being "shitty." How was the Prometheans being human obvious? Requiem could just as easily been a reference to the Forerunners and their death/return. If it was [i]so obvious[/i] that the Prometheans were human, than why are you so pissed off about the books? Clearly you didn't need to read them if it was so obvious they were human, you already had it figured it out ages ago, right? Or did you just type that without thinking your point through clearly enough? And as for the books, what is the Mantle? According to Didact, it is a "responsibility, to all things," through which the Forerunners acted as "guardians of all that exists...an impervious shelter beneath which [life] prospers." Well shit, it sounds to me like the Mantle is a stewardship of life, doesn't it? If you couldn't figure out what the Mantle was in Halo 4, the fault is yours, not 343i's. They made it abundantly obvious, don't blame them because you couldn't figure it out. [quote]Halo 3's terminals, I've never met a single person on that game that actually read those so.. No one knows if he's alive or not yet, and so? It's still a stupid plot point. There's no story here either, 343i decided that AI's deteriorate after 7 years, Cortana has been active for 8, she goes crazy, she dies after saving Master Chief with space magic then touches his armor.[/quote] --Who cares if [i]you[/i] never met someone who read them? Again, not their fault, only the fault of those who didn't bother looking. --"It's stupid cuz I said so." Why is it stupid? Because you didn't understand it? Again, your fault for not thinking clearly enough, not theirs. --At least have a surface layer understanding of what your talking about when blindly hating something. Bungie invented the 7 year lifespan of AIs. Cortana teleported John off of the ship with a combination slip-translocation, and a hardlight shield. She could "touch" him because she was made of hardlight, a physical material. The bomb didn't kill John because he was moving at FTL speeds through dimensional portals. Few things truly piss me off, and people who don't like Halo 4 are [i]not[/i] one of them. It's people who dislike it with a heated passion, who act pathetic in their hatred of it, or hate it for stupid reasons. This falls under category number 3. I'm not even sure you played the entire game. You can't have. It takes only the slightest intelligence to play the entire game, and understand everything that happened in it. It's not rocket science, Halo 4's story is arguably the best of the released games, and there is little to no arguments as to why it might "suck." The good far outweighs any bad, and if you can't see that, that isn't 343i's problem is it?

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  • Story is still bad even if you expand on it. Halo games have never had a good story.

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  • [quote]Halo games have never had a good story.[/quote] This. The UNIVERSE was cool, but the actual story is garbage.

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  • Was, and still is.

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  • So the truth comes out. You failed to support your argument so now to make it seem like you aren't incapable of supporting an argument, you go out on a limb and say, "Actually I hate all of Halo's Campaigns." So, what Video Game storylines do you like? I'm going to prove what Roberto said is true. You can condense any story into a few sentences and make it sound like crap.

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  • Why? Because I'm not willing to write an entire page that doesn't really say anything? Red Dead Redemption Dead Space Bioshock Bioshock Infinite Halo 3 ODST Deus Ex Human Revolution GTA IV Those are just of the top of my head.

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  • RD:R - You play as some Deadbeat fighting for his family who then gets betrayed by the poeple who he though were helping him. Common Cliche of friends turn into enemies. Dead Space - Alien artifact that turns things into Zombies, that you later blow up. In practically every Dead Space game too. Too simple. Bioshock - Hidden structure from common sight. Soooo original. Turns out yet again, your ally is actually an enemy. Also, using slug goop somehow gives you magic powers. Bioshock: Infinite - Im on vacation, but I am so F-ing excited to play this game when I get back. Halo 3 ODST - Wait, didn't you say all Halo games have bad stories? Seperated from your allies, you wander around picking up wreckage that somehow allows you to see things from your squadmates point of view. You eventually find a space squid that knows things that aren't explained, and then shows what the Covenant were looking for was the Ark portal. We definitely needed an entire expansion pack to explain how the Covenant went digging. Thos last two I haven't played.

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  • Edited by omg a bannana: 3/28/2013 8:57:48 PM
    That's when you dumb them down, when I was saying it before, that's literally all that happens in the game, there's no other plot points, there's no character development, other than that one cutscene at the end, there's hardly more than 3 characters, the characters are about as 2D as paper, it's all cut and dry. AND if you actually want the full story you need to read an entire trilogy of books, which all those other games didn't need either.

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  • Ok did you not read my summary of Halo 4, or are you just trolling me? My summary of Halo 4 contains all the major Character development in the game. If you think the last cutscene is the only character development in the game, I think you may need to go back to school, or study up on it. Oh yes they did. Halo CE - Where is the UNSC's base of operations? Are they just a roving band of gurilla fighters? How did the HC War start? Halo 2 - how did Johnson survive? How did the Covenant find earth? Halo 3 - What happened between Halo 2 and Halo 3? Why is Truths fleet diminished to 30 ships ? How did Johnson, Miranda, and the Arbiter get back to earth? The original Halo Trilogy is cut and dry as you say it unless you read the other Halo books, otherwise, you have to make simple assumptions, which suffice. You're doing the same thing I did too. You're dumbing down Halo 4's story, I dumbed down those other story's to make it look like there was nothing of value in the story. Dead Space - You literally spend 90% of the game doing nothing but fixing the ship and not progressing the plot at all. RD:R - You do nothing but play Bounty Hunter and house work until you get betrayed. Huckleberry Fin, a great classic with an incredible storyline. Watch this. All Hucklberry fin is, is a story about a racist white kid who goes on adventures that doesn't contribute to the overarching plot in any way.

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  • Edited by omg a bannana: 3/28/2013 9:25:20 PM
    What major character development?! Did you even play Dead Space and RDR? Because it sounds like you haven't. Halo 4, Chief goes to Requiem, Didact tricks Chief into awakening him, Didact leaves Requiem to find Composer, Master Chief is now space magic immune to antagonists master weapon, Chief gets nuke, Composer hovering above Earth, Master Chief plot holes his way killing the Didact, Chief sets off nuke, game ends. If a story can't stand by itself and needs and entire series of another outlet to make it complete, then it's already a bad story. It also had no plot devices.

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  • You see now why I'm annoyed with your perception of Halo 4? I actually love RD:R and Dead Space, but I'm proving a point. Dead Space's entire plot - ISAAC, FIX THE TRAM, FIX THE ENGINES, FIX THE AIR, FIX THE ADT'S, FIX THE SATELLITE, your girlfriends dead. Betrayed by your ally. 2EDGY4ME. Use space magic to kill a giant space worm, and watch as a giant meteor destroys the Marker, which is fueled by Space Magic. I'm going to post this yet again, because you keep saying, Halo 4 can't stay afloat on its own, or its too simple, or you have to read the books. I implore you to actually read what I typed this time. Prologue - Establishes Spartans are essentially human machines with no socialization. Dawn - Establishes Cortana has a problem and sets the stage for Halo 4. Requiem - Establishes, and explains Cortana will die, but Master Chief still insists he can save her, showing his dependance on Cortana as a partner. Introduces Promtheans. Small hints throughout the level foreshadow about the Didact as well. Introduces Infinity as an option of escape promting the quest to reach her. Forerunner - The mystery mounts as Infinity is not there and the Prometheans and Covenant are up to weird things. Master Chief is relentless and decides to pursue the "Satelite" in an attempt to secure Cortana's saftey. The Didact awakens, prompting the return of the Forerunners (MAJOR PLOT-POINT), while also introducing that he was betrayed by the Librarian, and wishes to prevent Humanity from attaining the Mantle. Infinity - With the new threat of the Didcat, Master Chief's mission to save Cortana is put on hold in order to save Infinity. Once Infinity is secured, Master Chief is torn between ensuring the Didact is stopped, and and leaving with the Infinity. At the time, with no knowledge of how great of a threat the Didact poses, Master Chief follows orders. Reclaimer - I'm going to skip right ahead to the Librarian Cutscene. For those who haven't read the Forerunner novels, this cutscene is the greatest plot reveal since CE. We see that Humans were not always seen in such a favorable light, and that the Didact was pushed to near insanity, if not insanity by the Flood to try and stop them. It is revealed Master Chief and Cortana were designed to take on a looming threat, foreshadowing towards future Halo games. The Composer is also revealed and this makes up Master Chief's mind that he needs to protect humanity. When he gets back to Infinity and Del Rio disagrees in combination of Cortana's Rampancy worsening, Master Chief makes a monumental decision that speaks volumes about his character. He decides to disobey orders after being indoctrinated since being a child. This shows he is not a soldier of the UNSC, but rather a protecter of Humanity. Shutdown - This beginning cutscene FULLY introduces the fact that Cortana is more of a human than Master Chief, continuing the theme of Master Chief's humanity. It also shows most of Infinity's crew wants to stay and fight alongside the Chief. The end cutscene of this level shows Cortana is struggling with her rampancy and she is allowing herself to be morallly conflicted based on the grounds of her creation and the Promethean's creation. Composer - most of the cutscene stuff in the beginning and middle is obvious, so i'll move to the last cutscene. With Ivanoff Station having been composed and Master Chief waking up, we find Cortana is extremely upset over the loss of Ivanoff Station showing extreme levels of emotion over the staff being digitally enslaved, while Master Chief shrugs it off and continues the mission. This further elaborates on Halo 4's theme of Master Chief's humanity. Midnight - Master Chief and Cortana continue with their decision to stop the Didact and postpone Cortana's Rampancy. The final cutscene.... This is where it all wraps up. With the apparent disintegration of Cortana, Master Chief still continues on like a machine. Only to be saved by Cortana, who then shows that their relationship isn't one way, and that she wants to protect the Chief. "Your compassion for mankind is misplaced." "I'm not doing this for mankind." The final section where Cortana Teleoports master Chief to saftey shows us the first sign that Master Chief isn't a human machine. He shows us that he depends on Cortana, and Cortana actually comforts him and trancends their relationship to beyond a human one. Epilpgue - Master Chief is recovered and is joined by lasky. As long time friends, they talk about what has happened. The final barrier between Master Chief's humanity is also broken here. "Our duty as soldiers, is to protect humanity. Whatever the cost." Lasky takes what master Chief and allows him to see that he is in fact a normal human being by accidently reminding Chief of what Cortana said to him about being very Machine like. The Didact isn't dead, and proves to us that he is still undeterred in his quest for Humanity's destruction/enslavement. We see Master Chief travel to the armor bay to get his armor removed. The final set of symbolism. His armor which he has worn for 5 years continuously, is removed, his final barrier between the outside world and his human body.

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  • Oh boy....alright, lets go, once more unto the breach and all that... Prologue: -blam!-ing load of bull-shit....and you know it. Spartans are nothing like machines and have, throughout the entirety of the franchise, in every appearrance they've made, have been just as human as any other character. The idea that they inhuman, unstable machines is nothing more than a fat load of bull-shit that's not accurate to their portrayal at all. Dawn: Not a thing to say here. Requiem: While Master Chief and Cortana are a team, and obviously they rely on each other...Chief does not need Cortana to accomplish his missions or survive, as you seem to imply and believe is the intention of the game. Chief did just fine without Cortana all throughout the whole war before getting her, and the few missions where she was in the Control Room in CE, and half of Halo 3 where she was absent. You make Cortana sound like she's nothing more than a some sort of crutch for Chief...which is not, and [i]never/[i] has been. Forerunner: None of that was actually introduced then. You don't learn anything about why the Derpdact is locked up until the level "Reclaimer", and everything else you only find out if you go looking for the Terminals, which aren't even really in the game, and reading Silentium. Cortana has very little to do with trying to get to Infinity, it's what they would be doing regardless of issues with Cortana. Infinity: There is no conflict of interest over leaving or fighting the Didact, not yet, they're not actively preparing to leave Requiem at that time, not like you're implying anyway. They're clearing the way so that they [i]can[i] leave should they have to, as far as Chief knows or is concerned at that point they're just clearing the obstacles to open up the way to leave. There is no conflict of interest. Reclaimer: ...none of that is in Halo 4, at all. Nothing about the Didact is explained in Halo 4 except he inexplicably has it out for humanity and is nothing more than a raving psychopath with all the personality of a rock and character depth of a cardboard cut-out. *facepalm* God, I am -blam!-ing sick of seeing this bullshit everywhere (you're not the only proclaiming nonsense like this) -___- The Spartans are not mindless drones wandering doing whatever the hell they're told by someone wearing an officer's cap or blindly accepting any order. And it was said from day, -blam!-ing, [i]ONE[/i] all the way back in TFoR when all of the Spartan candidates first laid eyes on Halsey after being abducted that their whole entire purpose was to be the protectors and saviors of humanity...and that's how they were taught, to be the protectors of the whole human race. Shutdown: The bull-shit gets even worse as this goes on... -__- There has [i][b][u]NEVER[/u][/b][/i] been an issue with Chief's humanity or anything even remotely resembling the subject. The Spartans are as human as they come, stoicism is [i]not[/i] being inhuman. There is a time and a place for everything, and in a career soldier, [i]especially[/i] ones people look up to, almost like a god, and is an icon for the whole human race, wearing your heart on your sleeve is not what's good for the mission or for a leader to be like when they're in the thick of it (which is where Chief is 99% of the time we're around his character). Chief has always been open when people have actually approached him about things, [i]particularly[/i] with the people who've earned his trust. And like I said earlier in this same post, dialogue is not necessary to know how someone's feeling or what they're going through, nor is seeing their face. You can very clearly see all of Chief's emotions in his body language. These are all yet another example of 343i bull-shitting with Halo and throwing in -blam!-ing crap irregardless of what canon says or shows on the matter. Composer: Really? You think right then and there, when the Derpdact is escaping and planning on razing Earth in fire and brimstone is the best time to sit down, talk about your feelings and start weeping like a child who's broken a toy? The important thing is stopping the Derpdact, not venting what you feel or think at that particular moment. That is not inhuman, doing otherwise would be selfish and jeopardizing the whole human race. Midnight/Epilogue: All of this just utter and complete bullshit that has no bearing on Halo or the characters whatsoever as none of it even remotely true! As I already said, this is yet another example of bullshit from 343idiocy and them deciding that their ideas are more important than canon and they can just do whatever the hell they want, regardless of what prior characterization, events, or canon information says otherwise. Anyone with two brain-cells to rub together already [i]knows[/i] that Chief and the other Spartans are just as human as the next guy. And really? What else do you expect from a soldier, for them to just break down and start sobbing and weeping in the middle of the battlefield and a life or death situation just because one of their closest friends just got seemingly vaporized? Gameplay starts up right after that happens, [i]of course[/i] you're going to keep carrying on, especially because your own life is in danger and even more importantly the whole of Earth...the same reason that Cortana and the Arbiter didn't insist on having a private little funeral for Johnson right there on Alpha Halo (b), it was neither the time, nor the place for such a course of action. Lasky is completely and totally irrelevant, without Forward Unto Dawn having been seen, the audience of the game has absolutely no connection with Lasky and has no idea that Chief and him have ever even met before. And I've already touched on all of the bullshit regarding Chief. Oh really? And how pray tell, would the Derpdact have survived passage through Slipspace in armor that's completely shut down, and sending him into data storage (which being digitized things, the Knights would be sent into), not something a big, fleshy organic would survive, we don't do too well with having our innards merged around bits of technology in haphazard ways that pierce organs and otherwise stick things they shouldn't. How could he possibly be alive now? Much less teleported who knows where to other Forerunners by his own machine that he had going to somewhere else entirely? On its own Halo 4 might be just fine and dandy, completely peachy....but as a part of Halo, it is hands down the worst piece of crap in the series besides the Travissty Trilogy and The Flood.

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  • Prologue: No I don't know that. If you could explain to me when a Spartan becomes friends, or good buddies with anyone outside his group of Spartans that isn't in the military, please tell me. That scene with MC looking down, ignoring the soldiers walking by sums it up pretty well. He never jokes, never laughs, never tells entertaining stories. No socilization for his entire life. Requiem: You misunderstand, his mental stability. He relies upon her as a friend, and someone to help him along. In Halo 3, he was fine because he was backed up by the top brass in the UNSC. He had an entire battlegroup with him at the Ark. In First Strike, Master Chief states how all equipment is expandle, and you shouldn't grow attached to a piece of hardware. He adds in shortly later, "...Except maybe Cortana." Forerunner: I never said they explained why he's pissed. I just said they reveal the Librarian betrayed him, and he doesn't like humans. Infinity: Fair enough. Got my cutscenes mixed up a bit. However, it does show us that the Master Chief would rather begin a campaign against the Didact, but Del Rio doesn't. And he silently follows orders. Reclaimer: [quote]..none of that is in Halo 4, at all. Nothing about the Didact is explained in Halo 4 except he inexplicably has it out for humanity and is nothing more than a raving psychopath with all the personality of a rock and character depth of a cardboard cut-out. *facepalm* God, I am -blam!-ing sick of seeing this bullshit everywhere (you're not the only proclaiming nonsense like this)[/quote]"Once the Didact finally exhausted the Humans after a millenia, his sentence was severe." This shows us he was pretty pissed about humans attacking, and controlling entire Solar Systems. "We had no way of knowing, that the Forerunners were not your only enemy." This implies some sympathy was given to Humanity. This is even shown in Cryptum. He hates us for killing his children, but he's not in state of mind where he wants to obliterate us anymore. "Such moral concerns faded from the Didact's attention." When someone doesn't have any morality, it shows that there is something wrong with them mentally. In the case of the Didact it is true. You can infer he was pushed to insanity with this cutscene. Or if you read Silentium, you find out his mind was molested by a Gravemind. [quote] -___- The Spartans are not mindless drones wandering doing whatever the hell they're told by someone wearing an officer's cap or blindly accepting any order. And it was said from day, -blam!-ing, [i]ONE all the way back in TFoR when all of the Spartan candidates first laid eyes on Halsey after being abducted that their whole entire purpose was to be the protectors and saviors of humanity...and that's how they were taught, to be the protectors of the whole human race.[/quote]Saviors, and protecters of Humanity really makes sense by killing other Humans. Also, that's not what she said. "You will become the protectors of Earth and all her colonies." AKA the UNSC. They actually pretty much are mindless drones. When has a Spartan disobeyed an order after being indoctrinated with their Augmentation sucsessful? Never, until Master Chief. Shutdown: He only acts human around his tightly knit group. Composed mainly of the other Spartan II's, and Cortana. And that's because he has a social connection with them. Something he lacks with other Humans. When has he ever told a joke? When has he ever told an entertaining story? When does he go out clubbing? Or drink alchohol at a social event? It's not BSing Halo as you say. Only people who are the minority will actually think deeply. He really tends to show no emotion. Even in the other games. Compare Master Chief to Keyes, Miranda, Johnson, The Arbiter, The Prophet of Truth, Gravemind, Lord Hood, Tartarus. He's literally a brick will with little drops of emotion seeping through. Composer: I can actually understand where you're coming from with this. Personally, I think anyone seeing something possibly more brutal than the Flood and Covenant would make me show some emotion, even if I knew I had to move on. Midnight: My above reasons explain this enough. Again, your point with the Composer is a just point. Yup, I can see that with Lasky. But with over 55 Million people having watched Foreward Unto Dawn, and 11.6 million people having played Halo 4, it seems unlikely that the majority won't know who lasky is. And that figure also excludes the people who rent it from Redbox, or buy the movie. How he survived: 1. When was his armor shut off? 2. He can survive digitization from the Composer. 3. Forerunner Portals, as shown is Cryptum, can filter out useless debries. The Flood, isn't bad, it's just boring. I agree with Traviss. But I completely disagree. Oh and Coma, it might serve you well to know who I am.

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  • Prologue: Do I even need to go into a list of all the people that Master Chief has any kind of connection or relationship with? Both Miranda and Jacob Keyes, Lord Hood, Johnson, Halsey, Chief Mendez, the other Spartans, the Arbiter, Lieutenant Halverson, Admiral Whitcomb, Foehammer, the Pelican and the one ODST who made it off Alpha Halo, and that's just what I can remember off the top of my head. We're not seeing every single event and aspect in any of these peoples' lives, we're basically getting just the highlights of them, and everything showing Master Chief shows plenty of socialization and connection with even random marines or civilians that he meets, and those who he meets on more than one occasion or wind up sticking around form some sort of relationship with him. It doesn't matter whether everyone who has some sort of deep or intimate connection is a soldier or part of the military or not, they're still friends and people he has an emotional connection with, what walk of life they're from doesn't matter or make any kind of difference...especially since Spartans aren't going to have regular interraction with civilians, though that's not through any choice or fault of their own, they're a state secret, they're not going to just go walking around somewhere like New Alexandria and pick up chicks, and they've been fighting non-stop for almost 30 years, so tell me, how [i]would[/i] they ever get the chance to get to know any civilians enough for them to make friends with them? And as for never joking, it would seem that you do not remember the opening for the very first game, which presented both the opportunity and time to joke around, every other time, it's almost always just Chief and Cortana alone, in the middle of combat, not the best time for telling jokes or joking around with someone. And, as I said, we're not seeing every single aspect and the minutia of these people's lives, it's at best just a slice of it, we're seeing little bits here and there. And that scene from Halo 4 you're trying to use as evidence? In a debate you don't use the source in contention beyond using it as an example to explain your beliefs or opinion on the matter, it's not reliable evidence because Halo 4 is the very thing we're fighting over and debating about. Requiem: And what does any of that have to do with it? Half the time in Halo 3 you're going off and doing stuff on your own with almost no back up whatsoever. What are you trying to say? That without Cortana around that Chief is mentally unstable and imbalanced? 'Cause that's how your first sentence sounds, like you think Master Chief is mentally imbalanced and has all kinds of problems without Cortana. Forerunner: Those were actually part of what I was talking about not learning then :P Except for maybe not liking humans. We don't know why he's in the Cryptum or saying he was betrayed, or if he even was...all we know on this level is that he got locked up, and he's pissed off for some reason. Reclaimer: Again, using the source of contention for your support is not a very good idea, the Didact was not the one who decided anything, unless 343i has decided to completely throw Cryptum out the window at this point, the Didact was not deciding the fate of the now defeated humanity, he only had influence over the decision, same with the Librarian. *smh* The idea that the Didact hates humans because his children died in the war with them is entirely a fan notion and not one given or stated in either the books [i]or[/i] Halo 4. That's only an assumption that's been made by some fans. Actually, it's been made abundantly obvious that the Didact does [i]not[/i] hate humans. Cryptum even went over at least once how after the war with humanity the Didact felt pity and remorse over what happened with them....hatred is the complete and total polar opposite from that, one does not feel pity or remorse for former enemies if they hate them, the two are completely and totally mutually exclusive. Certainly for remorse at the very least. [quote]Saviors, and protecters of Humanity really makes sense by killing other Humans. Also, that's not what she said. "You will become the protectors of Earth and all her colonies." AKA the UNSC.[/quote] In order to save the whole or be the safeguard for anything, sometimes you have to fight or destroy a part...just because one fights a faction or group within a whole, like the Insurrectionists for instance, does not mean that the individual is not a protector or savior of humanity just because there is one group that, through their actions, is going to destroy the whole human race. The Spartans are nothing but the protectors of the whole human race, just because the Insurrectionists are humans does not mean that they aren't the protectors or saviors of humanity. Lieutenant Halverson wanted to go straight back to Reach and give up on RED FLAG completely in First Strike, he is a higher rank than Chief, and he was ordering RED FLAG to be scrapped, Chief did not however accept that order, he refused and wanted to carry on with the mission until he himself decided it was no longer possible. Shutdown: I believe I already covered all of this at the beginning of the post. The Spartans, both IIs and IIIs are very highly classified, even if the population at large is aware of the Spartan IIs existing, they're still a very highly classified group...they're not going to be [i]allowed[/i] to go have a night on the town or go out clubbing or whatever else you mentioned, the Spartan IIs and IIIs are not like Project ORION where any physical changes or attributes from the augments that were actually successful were negligible in terms of making them stand out in a crowd, not at all the case with the IIs and IIIs, it would be obvious to anyone what they were, and the potential security leaks are too great, the Spartans would not be allowed to be heavily in the public eye...too many chances for assassination attempts from the Insurrection, potential capture...etc. And that is complete, total, and utter bullshit. Chief is just as emotive as any of the other characters throughout the trilogy. Every cutscene he is in you can see how he's feeling by the way he carries himself and the way he speaks. All of his emotions are expressed through body language and how he carries himself because we can see his face. Speaking is not required in order to show emotion or what the character is thinking, the fact that you [i]seem[/i] to think it is proves that you don't really know much about what you're talking about. If Chief is a brick wall, then so is everyone else in Halo, because he's just as expressive as the rest of them. Composer: That is hardly more brutal than anything else Chief has seen, seeing people incinerated by Covenant plasma produces the exact same affect as being incinerated by the way the Derpdact was using with the Composer. And even so, you can't see Chief's face or hear his thoughts, that is where most people express their emotions, in the faces they make and internal thought process...especially when they're trying to focus on something more pressing than whatever it is they're feeling then. Derpdact survival: 1. That's what happened when the grenade went off, Derpdact is KOed and his armor gets shut down, you can see all the lights on it going out as he falls into the beam. 2. So? I never said anything about being composed, I know it doesn't work on him. It doesn't matter whether he's immune to the Composer or not though, as he's still in a physical form and [i]not[/i] composed when he's going through the portal, he's going to wind up having his innards shoved through whatever receiver that the newly composed are being sent to. If he [i]had[/i] been composed or able to be composed, then he would have been able to survive, but a physical being attempted to be shoved inside a data receiver while still a fleshy being is not going to be pretty at all for that individual. 3. When? I don't ever remember seeing that in Cryptum or Primordium either, and I remember all the referrences to the Forerunner technology and other important things like that pretty damn well, in addition to having read the book multiple times all the way through and a whole bunch of other times just reading parts of it.

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  • LOL I see what you're doing now, you're looking at things that aren't there, which makes your argument weaker, while the things I stated actually happen. You can't tell me a stories good because you come up with what you THINK is going on. [quote]Master Chief is recovered and is joined by lasky. As long time friends,[/quote]Because them meeting one time for one day makes them the bestest of buddies!

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  • What do you mean things that aren't there? Did you even go to school? Do you need Master Chief to say, "I'm not human Cortana, but you act like one." Isn't it incredibly obvious they're long time friends by the way MC readjusts his stance, and says his name? Or how Lasky is confident with talking to him?

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  • Yes things that aren't there I forget what it's called but you're just assuming that's what the writer had in mind, I could do that too but with different things and what would you say to that? Lol what, I hardly doubt 343i's writer had that in mind, this is what I'm talking about you're finding detail in random things. Is the sky the color blue because that's God's favorite color?

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  • I wouldn't say anything, I'd look at your evidence, and and see how it hold up, and then say what I think, or expand upon what you were saying. Really? Do you really need me to cite pre-release videos where 343i talks about how they are incorporating themes of Master Chief's humanity. I have no idea what that question has to do with everything. All that stuff I took, that was the simple characterization and symbolism. If you think that's the stuff that's up for debate, then you should really study up on symbolism again. To me, it really does sound like you need something said and not interpreted. Fun fact, the reason why certain peices of art or literature or movies are considered classic is becasue they have a heavy use of indirect storytelling. AKA symbolism.

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  • Edited by Lord of Admirals: 3/28/2013 6:37:27 PM
    This is why you fail. The Composer doesn't blow anything up, it digitally enslaves you. You don't kill him. The Mantle was introduced out of the blue in Halo 3's terminals. Smart people can interpret what the Mantle is pretty easily. Did you not go back and read my reply to your post? The story of Halo 4 serves more as a wrapper to contain the personal story between Master Chief and Cortana. You learn more than that too.

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  • Halo 3's terminals, I've never met a single person on that game that actually read those so.. No one knows if he's alive or not yet, and so? It's still a stupid plot point. There's no story here either, 343i decided that AI's deteriorate after 7 years, Cortana has been active for 8, she goes crazy, she dies after saving Master Chief with space magic then touches his armor.

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  • I can pull out his videos too, since you like this game

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  • And you fail even harder. While Yahtzee is hilarious, he only likes games that are absolutely flawless. I do. Huh? How are you getting so much wrong. It was actually Bungie who did that back in 2001 with the original print of The Fall of Reach. Technology that is beyond comprehending is always viewed as magic. It's not hard to see what Cortana did either. She teleported MC away using Mantle's Approach's Translocation Grid, and then used remaining energy from the ship to project a Hardlight box, and also project herself as Hardlight. If you won't read my reply to our original string, I will repost it.

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  • He still points out the flawss So I have to read another book to get the story for the game? lol Master Chief was still touching the nuke with his hands, her teleporting him away would have to be faster than the speed of light, which it's not.

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