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Edited by ROBERTO jh: 2/26/2013 11:31:04 PM
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If there's no prior planning involved, than the only superiority Batman might have is his brain, and while the Chief may not be as smart as Bats, he's still a genius. The Chief is stronger than the Bats, no question, but how much stronger exactly? In the books his unarmored state is said to be 3 times his own body weight, which is already twice the norm because of his augments. The norm in this case would be related to his height, which unarmored is 6 foot 10 inches. The ideal body weight for someone that tall is, according to [url=http://www.healthdiscovery.net/links/calculators/ideal_bw_men.htm]this site[/url] 210 pounds. So 3(210x2)=1,260 pounds. The armor, at least the Mk. IV, further doubles that to make for 2,520 pounds. Bear in mind, John's unarmored lift was calculated at the age of 14. This was relatively immedietely after his augmentations were completed and minimal further training had been accomplished. John's upper limit, at the age of 46, is actually unknown. But we can judge from the feats of other Spartans. Cal-141 was capable of lifting and tossing several meters away an ODST drop pod. I estimated the thickness of the pod on a range, and according to [url=http://titanium.com/weight-calculator/]this weight calculator[/url] and the usable given dimensions of an ODST pod (102 inches wide, and 90 inches long, titanium like all other UNSC alloys) an ODST drop pod is somewhere between 2992 pounds (2 inch thick) and 11,970 pounds (8 inches thick). This doesn't consider the height of the pod, an unsupported factor on that calculator, nor any of the equipment inside the pod. Not being mathematically inclined, that's the best I got as far as a Spartan II's strength, sufficient enough to lift and throw one of those pods several meters. Batman's peak is estimated to be around 1000 pounds. Let's look at speed. A quick internet check states that the fastest human ever ran at about 43 kph. That is Batman's peak possible speed, not counting for body specialization (a 1000 pound bench presser wouldn't have the agility of a gymnast for example). John's slowest speed was 55 kph, coming right out of the augments at age 14. Chief Mendez stated that as they age, they will only get faster as their bodies adjust to the augments (TFoR, pg. 73). Their speed and agility is further multiplied by the MJOLNIR armor, by a factor I cannot recall as of now. Reaction speed. Batman's reaction speed is difficult to calculate just going off of the dc comics database (my source). It says he can dodge point blank fire, which is a contradiction. Point blank is instantaneous to a human, even a peak human. At that range you're talking travel time in terms The Flash would be more comfortable caring about. What bats likely is doing is anticipating the shot, rather than dodging the bullet itself; also how he would manage to "dodge" a superman punch. Neo is dodging bullets, Bats is evading them (at least at point blank) I don't have the expertise or knowledge to give numbers on Bats' reaction time. We know that John's speed is, at rest, estimated to be 20 miliseconds, and "significantly faster" when in an adreniline situation, almost incalucuably so (pg. 73 of Reach). In armor, that is further amplified by a factor of 5, allowing John the ability to dodge automatic fire to a degree. They're so fast that they see in slow motion; the armor allows them to move at the speed of thought, which to a Spartan is already faster than a human. So the two of the three primaries go into the Chief's favor with the third a strong possibility. Let's look at technique. Bats famously exploits the fears of his opponents in battle. As in the Batman vs. Spiderman Deathbattle, his reliance on stealth would be an achilles' heel. The Chief can, even outside of armor, see in virtual pitch black. With the armor he has a built in flashlight, various vision modes including heat, and has a motion sensor going out in all directions for about 80 feet. As far as fear goes, the emotion is a virtual nonfactor for the Chief. While still technically experiencing fear, a liftime of training allows him mastery over his emotions. He's also ruthlessly efficient in a similar vein to Batman, capable of feats of stealth and problem solving that seems, to their trainer, "damn near telepathic." He can create maneuvers and pull resources apparently out of thin air, using items in training his own observers can't figure out the origins of, despite being under constant surveillance. On top of all that, Spartans psychologically become better fighters the tougher the challenge is. "The tougher the challenge, the harder they fight...the better their morale becomes." (pg. 74, Reach). Batman would easily be the toughest human challenge John has faced, but I can't see how he would win without prep time and without being the main character.
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  • BOTH GUYS ARE MY FAVORITE CHARACTERS OF 2 SEPARATE COMPANIES BUT WHAT I CAN TELL MASTER CHIEF WINS AND CAN SHOVE ONE OF BATMAN BATERANG OR HIS BATTLE SWORD ( THE ONE IN BRAVE AND THE BOLD) UP HIS BUTT AFTER STABBING HIM IN THE CHEST OR DECAPITATE WITH HIS ENERGY SWORD. ( I WRITE IN CAPS IT IS JUST HOW I DO IT).

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  • [quote]Let's look at speed. A quick internet check states that the fastest human ever ran at about 43 kph. That is Batman's peak possible speed, not counting for body specialization (a 1000 pound bench presser wouldn't have the agility of a gymnast for example).[/quote] Unless he's moved faster, seeing as how fiction doesn't adhere to reality's rules. And besides, he's Batman - he's faster, stronger, and tougher than any Olympic athlete or whoever holds that title. [quote]Point blank is instantaneous to a human, even a peak human. At that range you're talking travel time in terms The Flash would be more comfortable caring about.[/quote] Bullets? For the Flash? No, no. More like dodging [i]light[/i] at point blank. [quote]What bats likely is doing is anticipating the shot, rather than dodging the bullet itself; also how he would manage to "dodge" a superman punch. Neo is dodging bullets, Bats is evading them (at least at point blank)[/quote] He can and has blocked machine gun fire before. With a chain. Without a single bullet getting past. [quote]I don't have the expertise or knowledge to give numbers on Bats' reaction time. We know that John's speed is, at rest, estimated to be 20 miliseconds, and "significantly faster" when in an adreniline situation, almost incalucuably so (pg. 73 of Reach). In armor, that is further amplified by a factor of 5, allowing John the ability to dodge automatic fire to a degree. They're so fast that they see in slow motion; the armor allows them to move at the speed of thought, which to a Spartan is already faster than a human.[/quote] Batman dodged Superman...which you stated, but Batman was [url=http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/Agility-Speed/Speed/supermanbatman39-batvsuperpunch.jpg]facing the other way[/url] when it happened. How did he prepare for it if he couldn't even see it? And I can guaran-damn-tee that punch was faster than anything John could ever throw. [quote]Batman would easily be the toughest human challenge John has faced, but I can't see how he would win without prep time and without being the main character.[/quote] He's already taken down enemies like Killer Croc and Bane, enemies equal to/tougher than John. Which brings back the point I make every time Batman goes up against John on this site - John brings nothing to the table that Batman hasn't dealt with before. Super-strength? Batman's fought stronger. Super-speed? Batman dodged Superman. Skill? Batman's beaten Deathstroke before. Stealth? Saying John is anywhere close to Batman in this category is laughable. Weapons? John's are more lethal, but that's just the thing - all he has are guns and grenades. Batman goes up against those daily. John, on the other hand, has never gone up against [i]anything[/i] quite like Batman. He wouldn't be expecting the kinds of tools Batman brings into his fights, nor would he be prepared to deal with an enemy several times more skilled.

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  • HE FOUGHT GIANT COVENANT, FLOOD AND PROMETHEAN WHICH WOULD BE MAJOR BUT KICKERS AND EVEN HE NEVER MET HIM HE WOULD NOT CHARGE IMMEDIATELY, FIRST HE WOULD OBSERVE HIM IN COMBAT AND EXPLOIT WEAKNESSES. SO SORRY BAT MAN BUT THERE IS A NEW GUARDIAN AND HIS NAME IS JOHN 117 OTHERWISE COMMONLY KNOWN AS MASTER CHIEF.

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  • First off, how old are you? Second, Batman's gone up against Darkseid. Darkseid >>> anything in Halo in terms of power and danger.

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  • ( I WRITE IN CAPS IT IS JUST HOW I DO IT).

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  • [quote]The ideal body weight for someone that tall is, according to this site 210 pounds. So 3(210x2)=1,260 pounds. The armor, at least the Mk. IV, further doubles that to make for 2,520 pounds.[/quote] Actually Chief weighs 290lbs. Spartans can lift three times their weight and then Mjolnir doubles their lifting ability. So the equation is actually: 290 X 3 = 870. Double it by Mjolnir, 870 X 2 = 1740. [quote]Let's look at speed. A quick internet check states that the fastest human ever ran at about 43 kph. That is Batman's peak possible speed[/quote]But that isn't Batman's fastest possible speed. That's like saying Chief could only run that fast because that's the fastest a human has ever ran. You can't put real world limitations on fictional characters, especially not if you're only going to do it to one. Why should anyone listen to your conclusion if the information you've used to reach it is false? You also ignore Batman's reaction time is faster than Chief's. And you seem to think that strength is a factor. You also don't make note of Batman's superior training and the advantages he has over John. It's nice that you've typed up such a long post, but it doesn't make any argument for your case. This seems to happen a lot with you and Anything vs Halo, Roberto.

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  • Batman's superior training? Lolno. Advantages he has over John? You mean the ones that don't exist?

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  • THIS FORUM WAS MADE FOR FUN AND I ENJOYED THE STORY.( I WRITE IN CAPS IT IS JUST HOW I DO IT).

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  • He knows 127 forms of martial arts. John knows...maybe a dozen at most. In a straight-up hand-to-hand fight, John would get floored. Batman is faster. Batman is smarter. Batman is more skilled. Batman has more experience. Batman is more stealthy. Batman's fought deadlier enemies. Batman > John.

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  • John wouldn't get beaten in hand-to-hand combat because he's bigger, stronger, faster, has faster reflexes, and only needs one form of martial arts: ass-whoopin'. John is faster. John is... well Batman is probably smarter. John is more skilled. John has more experience. And srsly? Batman has fought deadlier enemies? Deadlier than a faction of aliens that can systematically destroy planets? Deadlier than someone who commanded the entire forerunner military who could build "donuts" that could wipe out all the life in the galaxy? Really?

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  • DO NOT FORGET DEMOLISHER AND GRUNT PUNTING.( I WRITE IN CAPS IT IS JUST HOW I DO IT).

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  • No, he's not anywhere near as fast as Batman. He dodged one or two machine gun rounds? Cool. Batman dodges bullets all the time, and blocked machines guns rounds with a chain. Batman knows 127 forms of martial arts. Denying that he's more skilled is like denying that grass is green. He's taken on Darkseid. The embodiment of all evil, who can go up against Superman and take down the forerunners as easily as he could swat a bug. A deadlier enemy, in other words.

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  • HE FACED A WHOLE ARMY WITH GUNS SO MASTER CHIEF FACED A LOT OF ARSENALS FIRING AT HIM AS WELL NOT JUST BATMAN.( I WRITE IN CAPS IT IS JUST HOW I DO IT).

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  • Darkseid damn near destroyed the universe at full power. Batman has fought him a few times. That's much deadily than John.

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  • WELL YOU FORGOT THE DIDECT WHO WAS MUCH LIKE DARKSIED EXEPT HE IS A CROSS OF AN EVIL VERSION OF IRON MAN, DARTH VADER AND LORD VOLDEMORT: DARTH IRONMORT.( I WRITE IN CAPS IT IS JUST HOW I DO IT).

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  • Darkseid is the physical incarnation of all evil. He's ever so slightly beyond some ugly alien guy in a fancy suit.

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  • Therefore if John were to fight him he would also win.

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  • HAPPILY AGREE WITH YOU.( I WRITE IN CAPS IT IS JUST HOW I DO IT).

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  • No, John would get pasted if he tried to fight Darkseid.

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  • HE CAN WIN BECAUSE HE NEVER GIVES UP, HE WOULD FIND A WEAKNESS, EXPLOIT IT AND KILL HIM WITH A SPECIAL RADIATION THAT IS TOXIC TO HIS KIND ( I THINK HE IS THE LAST OF HIS KIND SO WHEN HE DIES, HIS ENTIRE RACE IS EXTINCT.( I WRITE IN CAPS IT IS JUST HOW I DO IT).

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  • No he wouldn't. If Batman could do it then someone who is clearly superior to Batman could also beat Darkseid. And you don't have ANY evidence that he couldn't.

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  • BOO YAH YOU GOT IT.( I WRITE IN CAPS IT IS JUST HOW I DO IT).

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  • Well, Batman beat darkseid by developing a weapon which releases radiation which is highly toxic to Darkseid's kind. This caused the omega beams heading to Batman evaporate. MC has no such knowledge of his kind and darkseid would destroy him, removing him from existence with a single blast from his omega beams

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  • MASTER CHIEF CAN LEARN SO WHEN HE DISCOVER IT HE WILL USE IT BLOW DARKSIED HEAD OFF AND OBLITERATE HIS LIFELESS HUSK.( I WRITE IN CAPS IT IS JUST HOW I DO IT).

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  • John would get vaporized in a second if he tried fighting Darkseid. He doesn't know about Darkseid's weakness, nor does he know who and what Darkseid is.

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