Yea i remember when i gave programming a shot, a few months ago, i realized i didnt have the patience for it, yet i still want to learn. i remember now, i was learning on my own, my friend was teaching me, but then he abandoned me b/c hes a lonely little nerd. Anyways, i still want to learn thats why i signed up for a computer science class next year. Btw they changed the programming language at my school to Java. I was pissed i wanted C++, o well, better start somehwere than no where. Seeing as ur a programmer, i guess you learn to appreciate the good games more, and see the little details of the bad games. Like how a musician knows when someone is playing a song right while non musicians just listen without doubt