-Spartan-010 Founder of the Spartans of Halo Your all noobs! Haha, I said it! Reply Msg User Yoozel Member Member Since: 9/20/2003 Posted: 6/5/2004 9:55 AM They better have a damn good reason for leaving for that long of time. Yoozel?- Overlord in training(?) Reply Msg User Poocho Member Member Since: 3/4/2003 Posted: 6/5/2004 11:44 AM I for one have my reasons for not being able to update my site very often. Ever since December when I graduated from college and lost access to that sweet T1, I've had to do all my Internet usage from home on our 56K whenever the phone line isn't needed or someone of higher rank (ie, my dad) wants to use the computer/Internet. I simply no longer have much time to keep up the relatively massive activity IqV used to have. It used to be great. Emildlux, who created the "50 Chapters, 50 States" database I talked about earlier once said he definitely considered my chapter to be the best in Wisconsin! The Imperatores qui Vici was and still is my pride and joy, but I just don't have to time to get it active again. I'm sure in the past 5 months or so there have been a month or more that I wasn't able to do anything with it. Sure we still post upcoming events and news for the very most important announcements, but we no longer have awesome database updates or good forum discussions or great polls with lots of votes or the very dear to my heart weekly news items (such as the Momentous Monday Mottofication and the Weekly Wednesday Weview). I miss them dearly, and I sincerely hope that one day I'll be able to return IqV to the glory and splendor that it once was, at least in my mind. . . . But I simply don't have the time right now. Those are my reasons, and I'm sure there are many founders out there who have good ones as well, just like there are many who don't. That's why I've been so lenient; because I would personally feel absolutely terrible if I logged on 4 months from now and found out that everything that I put into the site is now gone forever. I don't want that to happen to me, and I'm not heartless enough to wish that upon any other founders out there. When you read this, you should feel a sense of begging in the words. Just my heartfelt outburst, Poocho :) [Edited on 6/5/2004 11:47:28 AM] Vi et armis Reply Msg User ST Member Member Since: 5/24/2004 Posted: 6/5/2004 6:01 PM An idea to solve the absent founder's problem: simply select a "Co-Founder"! For example: I am the founder of the "Halo 2" chapter. I know that I wont be able to access a computer for an extended perioid of time(lets say 3 months, past the (2 month)cut-off limit). Since there is no way for me to update the chapter I just share/lend my duties(or powers) to my most trusted/reliable member. This could be called "Co-Founder", or something along those lines. The "Halo 2" chapter would be saved! This would solve the problem of an absense in a founder resulting in a deleted chapter. Still, this is only an idea of one member, who has never been a founder, and has almost no idea what he is talking about. There are much more experienced members that could contribute! (Insert Poocho-like signature phrase here.), ST :/ ? Xbox Live Gamertag - ST88 Xbox Connect Tag - ST88 Team Reach Reply Msg User Yoozel Member Member Since: 9/20/2003 Posted: 6/5/2004 7:10 PM Well, or you could find active deicated staff members, sigma is a fine example. Yoozel?- Overlord in training(?) Reply Msg User Poocho Member Member Since: 3/4/2003 Posted: 6/5/2004 7:57 PM There is an option to do just what you said. Founders have the ability to check a certain little box in the member settings section, and that will give a certain member all available powers except the power to disband. My chapter does have a Co-Founder--Napoleone--but the only term allowed for him is Group Officer. You might think that having a Co-Founder would be a chapter-saver, but there could still be snags. For example, in my case, we have 17 members. However, in our prime, only about 6 members were ever active enough to visit (most we forced to create an account during one of our LAN parties). Circumstances have changed for everyone, so really none of us are active any more. Only I and Napoleone ever visit the site to update it every now and then. Is that grounds for disbanding? No. Some day we'll have the time and resources to pour into the site. Until then, we'll continue to adjust our circumstances so that we can resurrect the wonderful chapter. But I do think that if you already have active members and a responsible staff member who can keep things running, your chapter can definitely stand a chance to survive the founder's absence. Just my thoughts, Poocho :) Vi et armis Reply Msg User GS Destroy Member Member Since: 4/20/2004 Posted: 6/8/2004 4:39 PM One point i would like to make is if a chapter has been inactive long enough could other members be allowed to take over the resposibilties of that chapter. This could be part of the council functions, allowing take over of inactive chapters by active members who petition. I like this idea, I have read over most of the thread and here are my thoughts. First of all, your never going to please anyone. Just keep that in mind when you read this. I like the idea of taking over responsibilities/co-founders, but lets take this a step farther. Say a chapter hasn't been very active over the last 2 months, mabe 1 forum post a week, almost nothing else, I would think that none of those members are active and delete the chapter. Now, what if there are 100 members or so, and only 5 of them are active? I would tend to say to merge the chapter with an active one, basically find an active chapter that's about the same and give them all the active members of the other chapter, kick the inact..... waaaaiiiittttt.... almost no chapters, if any, have 100 members or more. The average (from what I've seen) is around 17 or so. Seems to be an all too common number. That means there are too many chapters, right? I mean shouldn't there be like AT LEAST 50 per chapter? That would keep it truly active, and the # of chapters browsable. So, put limits on the number of chaters that can be created, or disband chapters that don't have at least a given # of members within a given amount of time form when they start (say 17 a month for 2 months or something. The details like dealing with kicks could be worked out later). Now that's not fair you say - what about those small little chapters of close friends?! Well, You can't please everybody!!!! Remember? Anyway, isin't the 7C supposed to be for active people? Then again, it is also meant to allow the forming of clans and individuality whether big or small. So, here's a solution: have 2 catagories - or 3 - or as many as you need the keep the 7C organized. All chapters start out in the first one - that one is for not-so-active just-here-to-have-fun people. This catagory is whare all the inactive chapters go so that you don't have to disband them, which makes it easier to please everyone. So in this case, if a chapter is inactive, it would simply be moved to this catagory after 2 months or so, and would have to stay completely inactive for 6 months or so before it would be deleted. Basically just a catagory for nice little happy chapters of friends or not so active people. Wait, I already said that. Whatever. So, now you've been here for a few months and have 30 members or so and are very active. What next? Why, a second catagory of course! This catagory would be for active chapters, with at least a certain number of members, and would have some system of clear organization (I don't know what yet, but that could be dealt with later). This is not for friendly chapters or whatever, it's for fans of Bungie that are active and want to get to know others etc., you know, the other main group of people you find on B.net. These chapters are involved in events, and could be somehow incorperated into this new clan stat syatem Bungie has come up with for H2, I donno, just a thought. So back to what do you do? Well, you submit a request to the council to be moved to the second catagory. Now, you are somehow organized in a directory of this catagory, and will be removed if you become inactive. This way the active and inactive people are happy at the same time and we also reduce some clutter. With a system like this, you could keep almost everyone happy and those who cared about organization would have it. Now wait, you said COUNCIL!!!!! How do we deal with their power/ select them? Well, this is actually simpler than you might think. The 7C is run by Bungie, it's their fan base, and they are in general good at making decisions. So let them make the selections for the council. After all it stands to reason they would want input as they run the 7C and also are the ones who started us taking over the world. So they select council members. What now? What are the authorities of the council? The council obviously would have to manage which catagories chapters were in. Other than doing that, they could manage the main page (news and spotlight). Oh yeah, to be in the spotlight you need to be in the second group. Makes it easier as the second group is organized. So you have council authorities, what they do, and a system of organization. What's left to reach the first goal that was laid out? all have their job and Bungie would be ultimatly in charge of selecting new people, but there are also more government-like ways of doing it. And since I'm ---- I call the Puma!! ----