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1/2/2013 5:10:47 AM
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A huge problem with this community

Before I begin, let me clarify something. This thread is mostly in reference to threads on the Flood, because the Septagon is saturated with employees, moderators, and people dedicated to pleasing the previous two groups, and because the game forums have effectively died. Bungie.net has a culture problem. A culture problem that I believe is detrimental to the growth and success of the website. Hostility is not really something I see talked about much here so I figured this was worth a thread. The Flood's not a pleasant place, and it never really has been. In fact, it got so bad that the Big Man had to step in and [url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=26466683]do this[/url]. It kind of feels like the entire community, moderators and members both, have forgotten [url=http://www.bungie.net/Help/content_viewer.aspx?link=conduct]that being a jerk is a bad thing.[/url] Anyone who posts often on the Flood can see this. People are constantly tossing around insults, and pretty nasty ones at that. For some reason, no one seems to care anymore - maybe because we're dark, or maybe because we've just all gotten lazy or grown out of being bothered by such things. [url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=76620787]Just look through a few[/url] [url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=76616824]pages from a couple of threads made since yesterday.[/url] Let me stop here and say that I am not trying to be negative and judgmental towards the moderation team. I know that holding that position is difficult from experience elsewhere, I know how exhausting and bothersome the job is. I'm aware that moderators can't be everywhere at all times to ban people who are hurling nasty insults at someone. This is just as much a call to members. Every one of us are given a report button so we can help keep the forums clean, but who really uses it unless they're upset over something an OP said? How often do you see a post reported aside from OPs and harmful links? The sheer nastiness that can be seen just by scanning over any somewhat long thread is astounding. Maybe moderators don't ban people within threads because they don't see them. Maybe the same is true for people not reporting a post. I can't tell you how many times I've seen a moderator lock an exceptionally long thread, that everyone knows is nothing but a cluster-blam!- of angry people spewing hate at each other, and not bother to even read the second post. Like I said, I understand when you just don't see it, but why in the hell are people in these huge threads not reporting these types of posts? I know that people will be jerks on the internet, and I'm not expecting it to change. But can we please do something to get rid of this toxicity before new people start pouring in? People have strong opinions on things, and they're certainly entitled to them, but why do you have to insult someone by saying you can't tell if she's a boy or a girl? Why do you have to say nasty things to non-heteros, or females, or people who don't like the same private group as you do? Why is any of this tolerated at all? Allowing this stuff to go on is just running people away from the site, because a civilized person has no reason to spend their time being involved in a community that harbors these types of people. I know what the responses will be to this post. People will tell me how I'm being too sensitive and how it's just the way the internet is. People will tell me I'm one of the jerks. And look, I know I overstep the line sometimes when I'm joking. None of us are perfect, but I don't think asking members to attempt to be decent (and mods to enforce decency when needed) is too much to ask. You can ignore this problem all you want, but I know from talking to others that I'm not the only person who sees this. It's a real problem that needs to be fixed.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] jaythenerdkid Except that oftentimes, they don't - either because they can't be bothered, or because the rule-breaking posts target someone they dislike. Today, there were a bunch of posts poking fun at Wyldfyre over her gender. Now, is Wyld my favourite member? Nope. But is the constant and blatant transphobia that comes up [i]every single time she posts in a thread[/i] fair or warranted? Of course not. But who (other than me and Harlow and maybe a couple of particularly LGBT-aware members) is going to report that type of thing? Group opinion is: LOL TRAPS ARE FUNNY HAHAHAHAHAHA WYLD THINKS HE'S A GIRL LOLOLOL (which is obviously a disgusting attitude, do I even need to clarify that?). So it doesn't get reported, despite the fact that those posts break the rules. And if enough people don't report them, they don't show up in the report queue - a single report won't do anything. Hell, in this very thread, there are people claiming that Harlow wrote this because he's mad that people think I'm ugly. How is that relevant to the topic of discussion? How is that anything other than derailment and flaming? Answer me that, and maybe I'll concede that there isn't a problem.[/quote]You realize that moderators do read their PM's right? You're allowed to PM them if you see something that needs to go and that isn't being taken care of. People have been trying to get users to report more for years, and nothing works. The people who you are calling flamers are the ones pointing out that Harlow is part of the problem that he is describing. Isn't discussing what the problems are what we're supposed to be doing? What have you been contributing to the discussion? The most I've seen you do previous to this post is start baby witch hunts against users posting in this thread by trying to "root out the flamers". You've offered nothing in the way of a solution or anything productive. If you want the best response to this thread, see Elite Mouse's post on page four. If you want a simpler response: "The Flood has not gotten worse, if anything it's a lot milder than it was in '09 and '10. Many, many, many people have said the same thing as Harlow over the years and obviously nothing has changed." calm your clams [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] jaythenerdkid Shame most of you can't grow up and engage on his level, really. Sad times.[/quote]Seriously, get off your high horse. Everyone you're criticizing are the realists who know nothing is going to change because we've witnessed these threads before and we know nothing will change in way of report usage or language usage in the Flood. [Edited on 01.02.2013 4:17 AM PST]

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