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1/8/2013 3:28:00 PM
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References From Old Bosses
I'm applying at several locations after being discharged from my previous job at a movie theatre exactly 2 months ago for dropping shifts and not arriving on time.
I feel obligated to put down the old job as it is 6 months of work and may be good, considering I am applying to 3 more theaters (2 of which are the same company). I've considered going and arranging a meeting with my old manager and asking for a letter of reference and/or assuring whether or not I can use this job as a reference.
Apart from being late in the last month I actually had a good record and managers often told me that other employees and customers gave commendations of my work.
Should I put them on my Applications?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] CIint Beastwood Why were you late? Did you just get lazy and not care anymore?[/quote] It was a 45 minute drive each way and back when I got the job my cousin was a Supervisor and took me to work daily. That got difficult when he left and then we were in a car accident so there was no way to get to work efficiently.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Dr TimothyLeary I couldn't imagine using a termination as a reference being a good idea.[/quote]
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Why were you late? Did you just get lazy and not care anymore?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] RighteousTyrant Maybe it's just me, but I see it differently. I've seen work history sections that ask for contact info for past supervisors, and I'll answer that without asking the individual, because to me, that is not a reference in the traditional sense -- it is a matter of fact that that person was my supervisor, whether they want it to be so or not, so I see little reason to ask them about it. [/quote] For me, it comes down to safety. If they call your old employer (even just to check that you actually worked there) but you did something pretty bad to get fired, I don't think it's hard to believe that your old employer would mention that. I imagine it's better to be safe than sorry when it comes to job applications.
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I came into this thread expecting to see references from old video game bosses... I really need to get out more...
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No. Should only put references to places you quit, not to places you were fired from.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] BerzerkCommando Screw the old boss. You should put down Big Boss. [/quote]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] roman arrow12 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] RighteousTyrant I think you're conflating two things typically found on a job application: work history, and references. [/quote] Depending on the application, they could be one and the same. I'd probably call my old boss and see if it's okay to list him as a reference (even if it's just under work history). Nowadays, a lot of managers fact-check what applicants put as their work-history to make sure they aren't just making it up. [/quote]Maybe it's just me, but I see it differently. I've seen work history sections that ask for contact info for past supervisors, and I'll answer that without asking the individual, because to me, that is not a reference in the traditional sense -- it is a matter of fact that that person was my supervisor, whether they want it to be so or not, so I see little reason to ask them about it.
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And as Tyrant said, [i]always[/i] ask the person (with regards to references) ahead of time.
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I couldn't imagine using a termination as a reference being a good idea. Unless you have worked there for many years and can claim that the termination was a temporary laps in judgment and point to the many years of good service to prove the claim, you may want to let it go.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] RighteousTyrant I think you're conflating two things typically found on a job application: work history, and references. [/quote] Depending on the application, they could be one and the same. I'd probably call my old boss and see if it's okay to list him as a reference (even if it's just under work history). Nowadays, a lot of managers fact-check what applicants put as their work-history to make sure they aren't just making it up.
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I think you're conflating two things typically found on a job application: work history, and references. Work history is just that, a history of where you worked and when and what you did there. You absolutely need to include your old job here, regardless of the reason you left. And you'll need to be prepared to explain in an interview why you left in a way that doesn't make you look bad. Was there a reason you were frequently late? Explain the reason and why it won't be an issue in the future, even if that reason is "I didn't prioritize work over other pursuits and thus was not on time. But I've learned that punctuality is important and don't intend on repeating the mistake." Or something like that. References are people you've worked with in the past who can attest to your work ethic, quality of work, demeanor, etc. These don't have to be old bosses (though it's good to have some), but can also include past co-workers. You'll want people with whom you remain on good terms and thus who will be willing to give a positive reference. ALWAYS ask people before listing them as references. Hope that helps.
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Screw the old boss. You should put down Big Boss.
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Always include a few good references in your application. Hard to have a decent job take you seriously without them. Do whatever you gotta do, OP.
