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1/2/2013 5:10:47 AM
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A huge problem with this community

Before I begin, let me clarify something. This thread is mostly in reference to threads on the Flood, because the Septagon is saturated with employees, moderators, and people dedicated to pleasing the previous two groups, and because the game forums have effectively died. Bungie.net has a culture problem. A culture problem that I believe is detrimental to the growth and success of the website. Hostility is not really something I see talked about much here so I figured this was worth a thread. The Flood's not a pleasant place, and it never really has been. In fact, it got so bad that the Big Man had to step in and [url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=26466683]do this[/url]. It kind of feels like the entire community, moderators and members both, have forgotten [url=http://www.bungie.net/Help/content_viewer.aspx?link=conduct]that being a jerk is a bad thing.[/url] Anyone who posts often on the Flood can see this. People are constantly tossing around insults, and pretty nasty ones at that. For some reason, no one seems to care anymore - maybe because we're dark, or maybe because we've just all gotten lazy or grown out of being bothered by such things. [url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=76620787]Just look through a few[/url] [url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=76616824]pages from a couple of threads made since yesterday.[/url] Let me stop here and say that I am not trying to be negative and judgmental towards the moderation team. I know that holding that position is difficult from experience elsewhere, I know how exhausting and bothersome the job is. I'm aware that moderators can't be everywhere at all times to ban people who are hurling nasty insults at someone. This is just as much a call to members. Every one of us are given a report button so we can help keep the forums clean, but who really uses it unless they're upset over something an OP said? How often do you see a post reported aside from OPs and harmful links? The sheer nastiness that can be seen just by scanning over any somewhat long thread is astounding. Maybe moderators don't ban people within threads because they don't see them. Maybe the same is true for people not reporting a post. I can't tell you how many times I've seen a moderator lock an exceptionally long thread, that everyone knows is nothing but a cluster-blam!- of angry people spewing hate at each other, and not bother to even read the second post. Like I said, I understand when you just don't see it, but why in the hell are people in these huge threads not reporting these types of posts? I know that people will be jerks on the internet, and I'm not expecting it to change. But can we please do something to get rid of this toxicity before new people start pouring in? People have strong opinions on things, and they're certainly entitled to them, but why do you have to insult someone by saying you can't tell if she's a boy or a girl? Why do you have to say nasty things to non-heteros, or females, or people who don't like the same private group as you do? Why is any of this tolerated at all? Allowing this stuff to go on is just running people away from the site, because a civilized person has no reason to spend their time being involved in a community that harbors these types of people. I know what the responses will be to this post. People will tell me how I'm being too sensitive and how it's just the way the internet is. People will tell me I'm one of the jerks. And look, I know I overstep the line sometimes when I'm joking. None of us are perfect, but I don't think asking members to attempt to be decent (and mods to enforce decency when needed) is too much to ask. You can ignore this problem all you want, but I know from talking to others that I'm not the only person who sees this. It's a real problem that needs to be fixed.

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  • If you're having forum problems I feel bad for you son. I got 99 problems but the Flood ain't one.

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  • I definitely think the problem lies with users reporting such posts which go against the "Play nice, don't be a jerk" clause. While it doesn't help that the phrase can be interpreted a number of ways dependent on each and every user, the primary predicament is that there is no instant gratification for reporting a user. The result of reporting varies in length due to a number of variables (how many people report, when a moderator checks the report queue, if other people have reported, etc) which is why I can see it putting off a lot of users from reporting.

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  • Flood is fine. [Edited on 01.02.2013 2:15 AM PST]

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  • If you're offended by the Flood, I'm sorry, but you are oversensetive. I get more hostility from my super conservative classmates and teachers at school than I do on the flood, and all they know about me is I'm a moderate liberal agnostic with a drinking problem. If the FLOOD hurts your feelings, I feel sorry for you. I can barely imagine how you'll feel one day when you have to go out into the real world.

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  • ^h8ers gona h8 [Edited on 01.02.2013 1:48 AM PST]

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ARBITOR 5 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] LiberatorOfMind [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] CrazzySnipe55 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] LiberatorOfMind Think about the legendary threads of our time..."how u become the guy to ban people", "Achronos likes Megablocks", and Cheerios[/quote]Only the first of those threads is really well-known. Also, "legendary threads of our time"? Really? Stop taking it so seriously. It's just a gaming forum. [/quote] You're not a true Bungie fan if you don't memorize every trivial detail about this site's history, chump.[/quote]Knowing 'great' threads in every forum doesn't make you a bungie fan. [/quote]Especially if it happens to be one of those floodian "legendary" threads.

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  • Lies and slander

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] LiberatorOfMind [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] CrazzySnipe55 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] LiberatorOfMind Think about the legendary threads of our time..."how u become the guy to ban people", "Achronos likes Megablocks", and Cheerios[/quote]Only the first of those threads is really well-known. Also, "legendary threads of our time"? Really? Stop taking it so seriously. It's just a gaming forum. [/quote] You're not a true Bungie fan if you don't memorize every trivial detail about this site's history, chump.[/quote]Knowing 'great' threads in every forum doesn't make you a bungie fan.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] CrazzySnipe55 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] LiberatorOfMind Think about the legendary threads of our time..."how u become the guy to ban people", "Achronos likes Megablocks", and Cheerios[/quote]Only the first of those threads is really well-known. Also, "legendary threads of our time"? Really? Stop taking it so seriously. It's just a gaming forum. [/quote] You're not a true Bungie fan if you don't memorize every trivial detail about this site's history, chump.

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  • The Flood is an [i]off-topic[/i] forum, so you can expect people associated with everything to gather there, at which point they will crash together, creating a violent maelstrom of opinions and judgements upon eachother. You can't expect otherwise, OP.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] LiberatorOfMind Think about the legendary threads of our time..."how u become the guy to ban people", "Achronos likes Megablocks", and Cheerios[/quote]Only the first of those threads is really well-known. Also, "legendary threads of our time"? Really? Stop taking it so seriously. It's just a gaming forum.

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  • the flood forum is fine the way it is. People aren't always going to agree on everything. I don't mind the blunt attitude that the flood has. If a thread looks dumb in the flood I do this thing called: avoid it. [Edited on 01.02.2013 1:33 AM PST]

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Harlow I guess it's a waste of time talking about this, because people like Jacob and Verachi and DMG will continue posting this kind of stuff - within a thread about hostility, no less - and nothing will done about it.[/quote]Hold the phone; When was I being hostile?

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] LiberatorOfMind [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DELTA STRIKE [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] LiberatorOfMind [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] jaythenerdkid STICK IT TO THE MAN, YEAH Maybe the rules are here for a reason?[/quote] Think about the legendary threads of our time..."how u become the guy to ban people", "Achronos likes Megablocks", and Cheerios. All of them were against the rules, but they've been cemented in the "culture", if you will, of the Flood. Now, I'm not promoting rule-breaking by any means. No one likes a flame war. I'm just saying that I think we have the perfect balance of strictness and leniency right now. And I commend Bnet's moderating team for it. You want more rules, more "civilized" discussion? Join a private group.[/quote] you people are seriously making a big deal out of this. the forums are great, and the mods are almost perfect in their judgement. To ask for change is unnecessary and downright stupid..ive only been a member for almost 6 years so I have no idea what im talking about :p.[/quote] Did you read my post? I'm on your side; I like the way things are now.[/ quote] oh im sorry I meant to just quote jay. This whole thing is just stupid, we have it great in our little corner of the internet, I dont see why people have to complain over what I consider isolated incidents.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DELTA STRIKE [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] LiberatorOfMind [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] jaythenerdkid STICK IT TO THE MAN, YEAH Maybe the rules are here for a reason?[/quote] Think about the legendary threads of our time..."how u become the guy to ban people", "Achronos likes Megablocks", and Cheerios. All of them were against the rules, but they've been cemented in the "culture", if you will, of the Flood. Now, I'm not promoting rule-breaking by any means. No one likes a flame war. I'm just saying that I think we have the perfect balance of strictness and leniency right now. And I commend Bnet's moderating team for it. You want more rules, more "civilized" discussion? Join a private group.[/quote] you people are seriously making a big deal out of this. the forums are great, and the mods are almost perfect in their judgement. To ask for change is unnecessary and downright stupid..ive only been a member for almost 6 years so I have no idea what im talking about :p.[/quote] Did you read my post? I'm on your side; I like the way things are now.

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  • I don't post in the flood very often, my posts go all the way back to 2010 in there. It's very hostile so I just ignore it. I use the report button when I see a post/thread that's breaking the rules but I know it doesn't do much as not many other people use it.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] LiberatorOfMind [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] jaythenerdkid STICK IT TO THE MAN, YEAH Maybe the rules are here for a reason?[/quote] Think about the legendary threads of our time..."how u become the guy to ban people", "Achronos likes Megablocks", and Cheerios. All of them were against the rules, but they've been cemented in the "culture", if you will, of the Flood. Now, I'm not promoting rule-breaking by any means. No one likes a flame war. I'm just saying that I think we have the perfect balance of strictness and leniency right now. And I commend Bnet's moderating team for it. You want more rules, more "civilized" discussion? Join a private group.[/quote] you people are seriously making a big deal out of this? the forums are great, and the mods are almost perfect in their judgement. To ask for change is unnecessary and downright stupid..ive only been a member for almost 6 years so I have no idea what im talking about :p. [Edited on 01.02.2013 1:28 AM PST]

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  • -OP just wants people to stop being jerks -"No OP, you're the jerk!" /flood logi.......................wait, i'm not in the flood, what the heck guys?

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] jaythenerdkid STICK IT TO THE MAN, YEAH Maybe the rules are here for a reason?[/quote] Think about the legendary threads of our time..."how u become the guy to ban people", "Achronos likes Megablocks", and Cheerios. All of them were against the rules, but they've been cemented in the "culture", if you will, of the Flood. Now, I'm not promoting rule-breaking by any means. No one likes a flame war. I'm just saying that I think we have the perfect balance of strictness and leniency right now. And I commend Bnet's moderating team for it. You want more rules, more "civilized" discussion? Join a private group.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] LiberatorOfMind The best threads are ones that aren't in line with the rules. Most bad threads, such as this one, are the ones that follow them.[/quote]Best threads are the ones that break rules? Sure, lots of intelligent discussion usually happens when people here talk about religion and politics, for example.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] LiberatorOfMind [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] jaythenerdkid [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] LiberatorOfMind [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] jaythenerdkid ITT: Harlow's girlfriend sucks up to him without providing any actual discussion.[/quote] Fixed.[/quote]Well, I agree with him. If I hunt for examples someone will just accuse me of being butthurt that people who flame people I like don't get reported or something. Personally, I think the moderators have become aware of this problem partly due to people like Harlow bringing it to their attention, and they're doing a better job of investigating complaints into rule-breaking posts that get buried mid-thread. But I do agree that the problem exists. What more do you want me to say?[/quote] The best threads are ones that aren't in line with the rules. Most bad threads, such as this one, are the ones that follow them.[/quote]STICK IT TO THE MAN, YEAH Maybe the rules are here for a reason?

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  • Hostility is in our human nature. Whether we like it or not, it exists and I don't believe it's a forum-problem, but a people problem. This happens all across the Internet, and you can't really modify the toxic behavior that some people have. Hostility will always be here because with such a large and diverse community, with hundreds of new faces joining daily; some young, and some old. But I understand completely and agree that we should do whatever is effective so newer members aren't discouraged from joining.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] jaythenerdkid [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] LiberatorOfMind [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] jaythenerdkid ITT: Harlow's girlfriend sucks up to him without providing any actual discussion.[/quote] Fixed.[/quote]Well, I agree with him. If I hunt for examples someone will just accuse me of being butthurt that people who flame people I like don't get reported or something. Personally, I think the moderators have become aware of this problem partly due to people like Harlow bringing it to their attention, and they're doing a better job of investigating complaints into rule-breaking posts that get buried mid-thread. But I do agree that the problem exists. What more do you want me to say?[/quote] The best threads are ones that aren't in line with the rules. Most bad threads, such as this one, are the ones that follow them.

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  • This is quite adorable, the Flood would be a bet better if less people complained.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] LiberatorOfMind [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] jaythenerdkid ITT: Harlow's girlfriend sucks up to him without providing any actual discussion.[/quote] Fixed.[/quote]Well, I agree with him. If I hunt for examples someone will just accuse me of being butthurt that people who flame people I like don't get reported or something. Personally, I think the moderators have become aware of this problem partly due to people like Harlow bringing it to their attention, and they're doing a better job of investigating complaints into rule-breaking posts that get buried mid-thread. But I do agree that the problem exists. What more do you want me to say?

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  • Stirring the pot I see.

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