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#Septagon

1/2/2013 5:10:47 AM
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A huge problem with this community

Before I begin, let me clarify something. This thread is mostly in reference to threads on the Flood, because the Septagon is saturated with employees, moderators, and people dedicated to pleasing the previous two groups, and because the game forums have effectively died. Bungie.net has a culture problem. A culture problem that I believe is detrimental to the growth and success of the website. Hostility is not really something I see talked about much here so I figured this was worth a thread. The Flood's not a pleasant place, and it never really has been. In fact, it got so bad that the Big Man had to step in and [url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=26466683]do this[/url]. It kind of feels like the entire community, moderators and members both, have forgotten [url=http://www.bungie.net/Help/content_viewer.aspx?link=conduct]that being a jerk is a bad thing.[/url] Anyone who posts often on the Flood can see this. People are constantly tossing around insults, and pretty nasty ones at that. For some reason, no one seems to care anymore - maybe because we're dark, or maybe because we've just all gotten lazy or grown out of being bothered by such things. [url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=76620787]Just look through a few[/url] [url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=76616824]pages from a couple of threads made since yesterday.[/url] Let me stop here and say that I am not trying to be negative and judgmental towards the moderation team. I know that holding that position is difficult from experience elsewhere, I know how exhausting and bothersome the job is. I'm aware that moderators can't be everywhere at all times to ban people who are hurling nasty insults at someone. This is just as much a call to members. Every one of us are given a report button so we can help keep the forums clean, but who really uses it unless they're upset over something an OP said? How often do you see a post reported aside from OPs and harmful links? The sheer nastiness that can be seen just by scanning over any somewhat long thread is astounding. Maybe moderators don't ban people within threads because they don't see them. Maybe the same is true for people not reporting a post. I can't tell you how many times I've seen a moderator lock an exceptionally long thread, that everyone knows is nothing but a cluster-blam!- of angry people spewing hate at each other, and not bother to even read the second post. Like I said, I understand when you just don't see it, but why in the hell are people in these huge threads not reporting these types of posts? I know that people will be jerks on the internet, and I'm not expecting it to change. But can we please do something to get rid of this toxicity before new people start pouring in? People have strong opinions on things, and they're certainly entitled to them, but why do you have to insult someone by saying you can't tell if she's a boy or a girl? Why do you have to say nasty things to non-heteros, or females, or people who don't like the same private group as you do? Why is any of this tolerated at all? Allowing this stuff to go on is just running people away from the site, because a civilized person has no reason to spend their time being involved in a community that harbors these types of people. I know what the responses will be to this post. People will tell me how I'm being too sensitive and how it's just the way the internet is. People will tell me I'm one of the jerks. And look, I know I overstep the line sometimes when I'm joking. None of us are perfect, but I don't think asking members to attempt to be decent (and mods to enforce decency when needed) is too much to ask. You can ignore this problem all you want, but I know from talking to others that I'm not the only person who sees this. It's a real problem that needs to be fixed.

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  • Never mind. [Edited on 01.02.2013 2:58 AM PST]

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Batchnator95 I'm a little slow on the news of B.net, this Sapphire person, did he or she become a mod or something, I'm intrigued.[/quote] Sapphire is a private group run by Harlow. It's the largest and most active group on the site. PM me if you have any further questions.

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  • I'm a little slow on the news of B.net, this Sapphire person, did he or she become a mod or something, I'm intrigued.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Colonel Grade 5 That just goes to show how terrible Sapphire is, doesn't it?[/quote]No, it just shows you've got your priorities all wrong.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Colonel Grade 5[/quote]Sure, whatever...

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Sev808 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Colonel Grade 5 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Elite Mouse [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Batchnator95 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Colonel Grade 5 Harlow is just mad that his "girlfriend" (if you can call that troll a girl), is ugly. [/quote]Member Since: 01.02.2013 So you're the 'new' members we are driving away.[/quote]Not at all, just someone's alt that doesn't want to be banned from Sapphire.[/quote] Why you think I would be in a group as terrible as Sapphire is beyond me. It's for kids who are not only social screw-ups, but also terrible at the game for which this site and their group is based on.[/quote]So joining that group is beyond you but attacking someone on the web isn't?[/quote] That just goes to show how terrible Sapphire is, doesn't it?

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Colonel Grade 5 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Elite Mouse [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Batchnator95 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Colonel Grade 5 Harlow is just mad that his "girlfriend" (if you can call that troll a girl), is ugly. [/quote]Member Since: 01.02.2013 So you're the 'new' members we are driving away.[/quote]Not at all, just someone's alt that doesn't want to be banned from Sapphire.[/quote] Why you think I would be in a group as terrible as Sapphire is beyond me. It's for kids who are not only social screw-ups, but also terrible at the game for which this site and their group is based on.[/quote]So joining that group is beyond you but attacking someone on the web isn't?

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Elite Mouse [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Batchnator95 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Colonel Grade 5 Harlow is just mad that his "girlfriend" (if you can call that troll a girl), is ugly. [/quote]Member Since: 01.02.2013 So you're the 'new' members we are driving away.[/quote]Not at all, just someone's alt that doesn't want to be banned from Sapphire.[/quote] Why you think I would be in a group as terrible as Sapphire is beyond me. It's for kids who are not only social screw-ups, but also terrible at the game for which this site and their group is based on.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Batchnator95 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Colonel Grade 5 Harlow is just mad that his "girlfriend" (if you can call that troll a girl), is ugly. [/quote]Member Since: 01.02.2013 So you're the 'new' members we are driving away.[/quote]Not at all, just someone's alt that doesn't want to be banned from Sapphire.

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  • I don't mind a little jerking here and there, but it can only go so far. I wouldn't mind a little more civility in the Flood. There was a thread just yesterday where the OP brought up a perfectly valid discussion, only to be answered with things like 'lolno' and 'you're stupid'. I think statements like these should be cracked down on a little bit more, as they contribute nothing to the topic and eventually end up in some kind of flaming. If you don't like it, take it to a private group.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Colonel Grade 5 Harlow is just mad that his "girlfriend" (if you can call that troll a girl), is ugly. [/quote]Member Since: 01.02.2013 So you're the 'new' members we are driving away.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Felco1 If you're having forum problems I feel bad for you son. I got 99 problems but the Flood ain't one.[/quote]This man. He's got it figured out.

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  • Harlow is just mad that his "girlfriend" (if you can call that troll a girl), is ugly.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] R0flc0pt3r [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] TrussingDoor [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Najar [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Harlow In fact, it got so bad that the Big Man had to step in and [url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=26466683]do this[/url]. [/quote] You know that thread is from 2008... right?[/quote]Yep. And we're still on Nuke notice.[/quote]Oh boy. Imagine the day the Flood gets nuked. lel[/quote]A mass exodus shall occur.

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  • Harlow, as much as I agree with you, this isn't a problem that can really be 'fixed' as you can't fix the way people behave. I think the closest thing that can be done here is improve the rules to make them more strict, though that in itself may also drive more users away. I think at the end of the day we all have to somehow agree on not being such ass hats, which we all know won't happen. The best we can do is adapt to the ways and warn the new users of how the people on B.net act, per say. You can't ban the majority here for being 'mean'

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  • Ironic.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] TrussingDoor [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Najar [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Harlow In fact, it got so bad that the Big Man had to step in and [url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=26466683]do this[/url]. [/quote] You know that thread is from 2008... right?[/quote]Yep. And we're still on Nuke notice.[/quote]Oh boy. Imagine the day the Flood gets nuked. lel

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] TrussingDoor [url]http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=76642282&viewreplies=true#end[/url][/quote]Called it.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Najar [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Harlow In fact, it got so bad that the Big Man had to step in and [url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=26466683]do this[/url]. [/quote] You know that thread is from 2008... right?[/quote]Yep. And we're still on Nuke notice.

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  • Alright boys and girls, calm down, why don't we all try to be civil here? First of all, I agree with Harlow. I don't post on this site much these days, not really in groups, and inconsistently on the mains. I come to the community forum to read mailsacks, and wait for DeeJ to tell us -blam!-, or spread the love in the Flood because there just ain't enough love to go around. It does strike a chord in me though, I consider myself a nice guy, I'm a student, I play sports, videogames, go to parties have friends, opinions, feelings just like every one of you, I'm a human being. Now, I might not be perfect, I don't think anyone is, but that's no reason not to try to be nice. Sure, I have [url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=73897429&postRepeater1-p=1#73900468]bad days[/url] when I snap at people, but everyone can have the occasional bad day. What isn't right, is when people act like that, on steroids, in every post they make. There's nothing wrong with having opinions, and I certainly don't have a problem with defending them, but there is a way to do that, and no, it isn't 'MAN YOU'RE A -blam!- I'M RIGHT YOU'RE WRONG' (that said, I must admit to stooping that low in a firearm debate recently - and those who were involved, I'M SORRY OK). The thing is, and correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I'm concerned, and I'm pretty good on my social norms - being a jerk, and not utilising basic manners are both bad things, and the lack of them on this site is a pretty big old problem. I've reported maybe 80% of posts in this thread for overstepping the line between arguing an opinion and personal attacks. I'm aware some of you are alts, I don't know who you are. I don't know what you want. But I just wanted to get it off my chest how widespread the said problem is. This thread has highlighted the problem, and it is a problem. So long and goodnight.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Harlow In fact, it got so bad that the Big Man had to step in and [url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=26466683]do this[/url]. [/quote] You know that thread is from 2008... right? [Edited on 01.02.2013 2:20 AM PST]

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  • [url]http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=76642282&viewreplies=true#end[/url]

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Felco1 I got 99 problems but the Flood ain't one.[/quote]

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] LiberatorOfMind ^h8ers gona h8[/quote]Not hating, just saying that threads on the flood have very little, if anything, to do with Bungie. Knowing "legendary" threads there doesn't make you a Bungie fan.

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  • Being so hostile online is nothing but immature.

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  • If you're having forum problems I feel bad for you son. I got 99 problems but the Flood ain't one.

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