[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MattallicA09lol The Flood.[/quote] Dies from bullets. They wouldn't last terribly long.

The thing about the black hole cannon is that it was once much more common. Then the Dark Age ended and everything hit the fan.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Xd00999 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh There is a distinction between what Forerunners called combat suits, and combat skins. The Seekers and Sphinxes are suits, the skins are, well, skins. Suffice it to say, a multi-time augmented Forerunner warrior in a Skin 6 times as powerful as MJOLNIR with weaponry technology on par with much of 40K, a lot like a gauss weapon actually in how they disenegrate their targets, could hold their own. Which was point to begin with, the Forerunners could easily fight the 40K universe. Not necessarily win, not against all of them, but they are quite comparable in a lot of respects. Superior in a few too, if you as me.[/quote] ? I was referring to how in the fight against humanity in both the Librarian scene and some terminals show the forerunners only using combat skins with no War Sphinxes visible. Many of the effects we saw in the terminals were definetely not world shattering. As for the disintegration, that clearly does not happen with all weapons. I have not seen suppressors, bolt shots, or lightrifles cause disintegration. Some forerunners can hold their own and they are superior to 40k in some respects (slipspace, for example), but 40k manages to stay ahead with things like time travel, predicting the future, destroying the galaxy, black holes in a birthday box, black hole cannons, and physical gods. [/quote] That's what I was saying. They were wearing Combat Skins, not using war sphinxes, a totally different classification of suit. Sphinxes, or Seekers, could devestate a planet in numbers, but the combat skin users are just overpowered soldiers, like Space Marines, nothing world devestating. In my other post I was talking about the Seekers. If they're let loose, terrestrial warfare becomes a moot point. But it does happen with a lot of their weapons, I never said it happens with all. And to the last, I know. Conventionally, the Forerunners can fight the 40K universe. Even a black hole cannon is still only one weapon vs. a trillions strong armada. Obviously Chaos would be a [i]bit[/i] of an issue. My original point was that the Forerunners weren't as weak as that guy made them out to be. I know they'd lose alone against the galaxy of 40K, but they would give them a royal fight.

[i]in war...[/i] [b]nobody[/b] [i]wins.[/i] In all seriousness 40K would kick all of their asses back to their respective universes within the first day. [Edited on 12.11.2012 3:50 PM PST]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh There is a distinction between what Forerunners called combat suits, and combat skins. The Seekers and Sphinxes are suits, the skins are, well, skins. Suffice it to say, a multi-time augmented Forerunner warrior in a Skin 6 times as powerful as MJOLNIR with weaponry technology on par with much of 40K, a lot like a gauss weapon actually in how they disenegrate their targets, could hold their own. Which was point to begin with, the Forerunners could easily fight the 40K universe. Not necessarily win, not against all of them, but they are quite comparable in a lot of respects. Superior in a few too, if you as me.[/quote] ? I was referring to how in the fight against humanity in both the Librarian scene and some terminals show the forerunners only using combat skins with no War Sphinxes visible. Many of the effects we saw in the terminals were definetely not world shattering. As for the disintegration, that clearly does not happen with all weapons. I have not seen suppressors, bolt shots, or lightrifles cause disintegration. Some forerunners can hold their own and they are superior to 40k in some respects (slipspace, for example), but 40k manages to stay ahead with things like time travel, predicting the future, destroying the galaxy, black holes in a birthday box, black hole cannons, and physical gods.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Xd00999 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh A Forerunner starship can cause an Exterminatus. Their cruisers for example have been calculated to hit with about 200 terratons. Terrestrial combat against the Forerunners is pointless, as they have a tendancy to literally turn a planet inside out with their combat suits (re: Cryptum) The rest [url=http://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/forerunner-feat-thread.236388/]I leave to you to read.[/url] tl;dr: Forerunner industrial capacity would make the Imperium blush.[/quote] And yet, we see the Forerunners engaging in ground combat without combat suits, using merely combat skins. (Librarian flashback). As for ship weaponry, I present this quote again.[/quote] No idea how he gets from "Warrior Craft and automated defence systems" to combat suits to be honest. I smell BS.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Xd00999 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh A Forerunner starship can cause an Exterminatus. Their cruisers for example have been calculated to hit with about 200 terratons. Terrestrial combat against the Forerunners is pointless, as they have a tendancy to literally turn a planet inside out with their combat suits (re: Cryptum) The rest [url=http://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/forerunner-feat-thread.236388/]I leave to you to read.[/url] tl;dr: Forerunner industrial capacity would make the Imperium blush.[/quote] And yet, we see the Forerunners engaging in ground combat without combat suits, using merely combat skins. (Librarian flashback). As for ship weaponry, I present this quote again.[quote][b]Extract from:[/b] Priests of Mars, page 305-6 [i]Elements of the technology that had gone into [the construction of this weapon] would have been familiar to some of the more esoteric branches of black hole research and relativistic temporal arcana, but their assembly complexity would have baffled even the Fabricator General on Mars. Pulsing streams of purple-hued anti-matter and graviton pumps combined in unknowable ways in a reactor that drew its power from the dark matter that lurked in the spaces between stars. [...] Without any command authority from the bridge of the Speranza, the weapon unleashed a silent pulse that covered the distance to the Starblade at the speed of light. But even that wasn't fast enough to catch a ship as nimble as one built by the bone singers of Biel-Tan and guided by the prescient of a farseer. The pulse of dark energy coalesced a hundred kilometres off the vessel's stern and a miniature black hole exploded into life, dragging in everything within its reach with howling force. Stellar matter, light, and gravity were crushed as they were drawn in and destroyed, and even the Starblade's speed and manoeuverability weren't enough to save it completely as the secondary effect of the weapon's deadly energies brushed over its solar sail. Chrono-weaponry shifted its target a nanosecond into the past, by which time the subatomic reactions of every molecule had shifted microscopically and forced identical neutrons into the same quantum space. [...] Though on the periphery of the streaming waves of chrono metric energy, the Starblade's solar mast detonated as though its internal structure had been threaded with explosive charges. [/i][/quote][/quote] There is a distinction between what Forerunners called combat suits, and combat skins. The Seekers and Sphinxes are suits, the skins are, well, skins. Suffice it to say, a multi-time augmented Forerunner warrior in a Skin 6 times as powerful as MJOLNIR with weaponry technology on par with much of 40K, a lot like a gauss weapon actually in how they disenegrate their targets, could hold their own. Which was point to begin with, the Forerunners could easily fight the 40K universe. Not necessarily win, not against all of them, but they are quite comparable in a lot of respects. Superior in a few too, if you as me. [Edited on 12.11.2012 3:39 PM PST]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] The Poggiton Silly 40k fanboy, thinking your little universe is macho. Nintendo, DC, Marvel, Xenosaga, The Culture, The Downstreamers, The Plek Universe, Doctor Who, Pokemon, and more can easily beat 40k.[/quote]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh A Forerunner starship can cause an Exterminatus. Their cruisers for example have been calculated to hit with about 200 terratons. Terrestrial combat against the Forerunners is pointless, as they have a tendancy to literally turn a planet inside out with their combat suits (re: Cryptum) The rest [url=http://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/forerunner-feat-thread.236388/]I leave to you to read.[/url] tl;dr: Forerunner industrial capacity would make the Imperium blush.[/quote] And yet, we see the Forerunners engaging in ground combat without combat suits, using merely combat skins. (Librarian flashback). As for ship weaponry, I present this quote again.[quote][b]Extract from:[/b] Priests of Mars, page 305-6 [i]Elements of the technology that had gone into [the construction of this weapon] would have been familiar to some of the more esoteric branches of black hole research and relativistic temporal arcana, but their assembly complexity would have baffled even the Fabricator General on Mars. Pulsing streams of purple-hued anti-matter and graviton pumps combined in unknowable ways in a reactor that drew its power from the dark matter that lurked in the spaces between stars. [...] Without any command authority from the bridge of the Speranza, the weapon unleashed a silent pulse that covered the distance to the Starblade at the speed of light. But even that wasn't fast enough to catch a ship as nimble as one built by the bone singers of Biel-Tan and guided by the prescient of a farseer. The pulse of dark energy coalesced a hundred kilometres off the vessel's stern and a miniature black hole exploded into life, dragging in everything within its reach with howling force. Stellar matter, light, and gravity were crushed as they were drawn in and destroyed, and even the Starblade's speed and manoeuverability weren't enough to save it completely as the secondary effect of the weapon's deadly energies brushed over its solar sail. Chrono-weaponry shifted its target a nanosecond into the past, by which time the subatomic reactions of every molecule had shifted microscopically and forced identical neutrons into the same quantum space. [...] Though on the periphery of the streaming waves of chrono metric energy, the Starblade's solar mast detonated as though its internal structure had been threaded with explosive charges. [/i][/quote]

Halo, Star Wars, Mass Effect, Starcraft.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Scottus4 And yet the Forerunners were wiped out by Humans. [/quote] You might want to get your memory checked.

And yet the Forerunners were wiped out by Humans.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Khodan [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Chris marines [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Khodan Eldar > Forerunners Tyranids > Flood Exterminatus > Galaxy Gun Everything > lolReapers Tyranids > Zerg [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] FloodForum Ruler Forerunners, Flood, Galaxy Gun, Sun Crusher, Centerpoint STation, Celestials, Reapers, and Zerg win this fight.[/quote][/quote]Probably Necrons over Forerunners. [/quote] That would be an overkill, the Forerunners would be destroyed so extremely fast.[/quote] A Forerunner starship can cause an Exterminatus. Their cruisers for example have been calculated to hit with about 200 terratons. Terrestrial combat against the Forerunners is pointless, as they have a tendancy to literally turn a planet inside out with their combat suits (re: Cryptum) The rest [url=http://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/forerunner-feat-thread.236388/]I leave to you to read.[/url] tl;dr: Forerunner industrial capacity would make the Imperium blush.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] TwistedDippy666 Of course, let me grab my copy of cryptum. Also that Blackstone fortress was noted in the section to destroy solar systems, a common tactic of forerunners who often destroyed soalr systems by making stars go supernova. The war sphinx [quote] We crossed the innner lake in minutes, a leasurely pace for a craft designed to drop from high orbit, sweep continents and decimate cities.[/quote][b]PG 95 cryptum[/b] There is also another quote where the updated suit called a seaker decimates the san shyumm homeworld but i'm having trouble locating it.[/quote] That isn't what the passage is saying. Sweep in this instance refers to its speed. It's a juxtaposition with the fact that they took minutes to cross a lake when it can sweep entire continents in a similar timeframe. A leisurely pace, as it says. The phrase "decimate cities" is also kinda redundant if it was implying that it can level entire continents.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Xd00999 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] TwistedDippy666 Your talking about the 40k fanboys right? The ones that never show calcs or give examples and quotes of feats, merely relying on lololol necronstompsszz. Like it or not 40k is a middle sci-fi power, no way near the big boys at the top.[/quote] Considering that the description of the C'Tan says they can do anything they please, limited only by their imagination, calcs are not that necessary. [/quote] Doctor Who would win, somehow, someway. He's got a time machine, he's immortal, and he's a genius. That's pretty much a recipe for lols.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Raptorx7 We do this everyday. [/quote] seriously

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] TwistedDippy666 Your talking about the 40k fanboys right? The ones that never show calcs or give examples and quotes of feats, merely relying on lololol necronstompsszz. Like it or not 40k is a middle sci-fi power, no way near the big boys at the top.[/quote] Considering that the description of the C'Tan says they can do anything they please, limited only by their imagination, calcs are not that necessary.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Khodan [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] The Poggiton Silly 40k fanboy, thinking your little universe is macho. Nintendo, DC, Marvel, Xenosaga, The Culture, The Downstreamers, The Plek Universe, Doctor Who, Pokemon, and more can easily beat 40k.[/quote] Nope, nope and NOPE.JPG [/quote] This guy. This guy right here. Has no idea what he's talking about.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] WEE MAN MJJC [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] TwistedDippy666 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] WEE MAN MJJC [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] RockdaleRooster [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] WEE MAN MJJC This thread again. -.- whoopee. It's standard logic that 40K stomps everything else into viscous paste. As for the Precursors, we will never know their true power/stats until the upcoming games and books. So it's safe to assume to just exclude them from this fight.[/quote] NO WE KNOW THEY HAVE INVINCIBLE TECHNOLOGY!!!!!!!11!!1! Don't you know anything about Halo?[/quote] I know that with enough fanboys they can beat anything, that's for sure.[/quote] Your talking about the 40k fanboys right? The ones that never show calcs or give examples and quotes of feats, merely relying on lololol necronstompsszz. Like it or not 40k is a middle sci-fi power, no way near the big boys at the top.[/quote] To be fair, a good majority of the 40K universe consists of nigh omnipotents. You don't have to be well versed in the lore to know that they stomp quite a lot of other universes including (sorry fanboys) Halo.[/quote] True they are mostly omnipotent, that's why in these debates i think omnipotents should be excluded as it's impossible to have omnipotents fight each other or get valid calcs on them.

They all team up to beat on CoD universe.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] WEE MAN MJJC [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] RockdaleRooster [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] WEE MAN MJJC This thread again. -.- whoopee. It's standard logic that 40K stomps everything else into viscous paste. As for the Precursors, we will never know their true power/stats until the upcoming games and books. So it's safe to assume to just exclude them from this fight.[/quote] NO WE KNOW THEY HAVE INVINCIBLE TECHNOLOGY!!!!!!!11!!1! Don't you know anything about Halo?[/quote] I know that with enough fanboys they can beat anything, that's for sure.[/quote] I don't like using the Precursors in these arguments because so much is speculation but it is true that the Precursor buildings were indestructible to everything but the firing of a Halo. That's proven by the books.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] TwistedDippy666 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] WEE MAN MJJC [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] RockdaleRooster [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] WEE MAN MJJC This thread again. -.- whoopee. It's standard logic that 40K stomps everything else into viscous paste. As for the Precursors, we will never know their true power/stats until the upcoming games and books. So it's safe to assume to just exclude them from this fight.[/quote] NO WE KNOW THEY HAVE INVINCIBLE TECHNOLOGY!!!!!!!11!!1! Don't you know anything about Halo?[/quote] I know that with enough fanboys they can beat anything, that's for sure.[/quote] Your talking about the 40k fanboys right? The ones that never show calcs or give examples and quotes of feats, merely relying on lololol necronstompsszz. Like it or not 40k is a middle sci-fi power, no way near the big boys at the top.[/quote] To be fair, a good majority of the 40K universe consists of nigh omnipotents. You don't have to be well versed in the lore to know that they stomp quite a lot of other universes including (sorry fanboys) Halo.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] WEE MAN MJJC [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] RockdaleRooster [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] WEE MAN MJJC This thread again. -.- whoopee. It's standard logic that 40K stomps everything else into viscous paste. As for the Precursors, we will never know their true power/stats until the upcoming games and books. So it's safe to assume to just exclude them from this fight.[/quote] NO WE KNOW THEY HAVE INVINCIBLE TECHNOLOGY!!!!!!!11!!1! Don't you know anything about Halo?[/quote] I know that with enough fanboys they can beat anything, that's for sure.[/quote] Your talking about the 40k fanboys right? The ones that never show calcs or give examples and quotes of feats, merely relying on lololol necronstompsszz. Like it or not 40k is a middle sci-fi power, no way near the big boys at the top.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] RockdaleRooster [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] WEE MAN MJJC This thread again. -.- whoopee. It's standard logic that 40K stomps everything else into viscous paste. As for the Precursors, we will never know their true power/stats until the upcoming games and books. So it's safe to assume to just exclude them from this fight.[/quote] NO WE KNOW THEY HAVE INVINCIBLE TECHNOLOGY!!!!!!!11!!1! Don't you know anything about Halo?[/quote] I know that with enough fanboys they can beat anything, that's for sure.

I know little about Warhammer, but Warhammer. I'm pretty sure Necrons are near-invincible and the Imperium of Man has millions or billions of soldiers. Also, titans. Also also, 41st millenium > 3rd millenium

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] WEE MAN MJJC This thread again. -.- whoopee. It's standard logic that 40K stomps everything else into viscous paste. As for the Precursors, we will never know their true power/stats until the upcoming games and books. So it's safe to assume to just exclude them from this fight.[/quote] NO WE KNOW THEY HAVE INVINCIBLE TECHNOLOGY!!!!!!!11!!1! Don't you know anything about Halo?