[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Dragonzzilla [url=http://assets.diylol.com/hfs/dd0/afd/bb2/resized/spiderman-meme-generator-cool-story-but-what-s-your-point-exactly-71b51b.jpg]These[/url] [url=http://img.neeerd.com/37727/37727-13-casero-spiderman-meme-imitaciones.jpg]Are[/url] [url=http://assets.diylol.com/hfs/f1a/b7c/dbe/resized/spiderman-meme-generator-for-the-love-of-god-stop-being-such-a-faggot-0132b0.jpg?1306435168.jpg]My[/url] [url=http://memebook.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/old-spiderman-meme.jpg]Thoughts[/url] [url=http://images.memegenerator.net/instances/500x/9385586.jpg]Exactly[/url][/quote] You're quite frankly the biggest moron if you can't figure out what my topic is about and what my point is. The answer to both (almost) of these is even in my thread title. Oh and was the single F.ck that you gave to me the ability you had to post in my thread?

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Hey, they're a company. They need money. If you don't like it either adapt, or don't buy the game. See what I did there?

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A 3 Legged Goat [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Ben2974 If you hated/dislsiked Halo Reach, what the hell is going to make you like Halo 4? Halo 4 basically has everything bad that Halo Reach has and more.[/quote] I didn't hate Reach because it changed. I hated Reach because the change was poorly designed, contradictory, and ultimately led to a frustrating and punishing experience. If Halo 4 does what Reach tried to do better, then I will enjoy it. [/quote]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Make117 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Ben2974 Halo 4 is Halo Reach[/quote]No it's not. /thread[/quote]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Ben2974 If you hated/dislsiked Halo Reach, what the hell is going to make you like Halo 4? Halo 4 basically has everything bad that Halo Reach has and more. Armor abilities [i]again[/i]? instant, but -blam!- and useless camp promoting camouflage? X-RAY vision? WTF? May as well just tear down all the walls in every map. And the only thing a jetpack does for you is gets you killed faster. In stead of being in view of 1 player, let the whole team see you: great! Well if you guys enjoy sprinting on command, whatever. SO much focus on the little dumb things nowadays. Infection gametypes is like the new MLG; there is so much emphasis on this [i]sideshow[/i]. Don't we want quality arena competitive slayer? Don't we want games where map control and team work are essential factors in matches? I swear since the release of Reach everything's been a one man show, encouraging people to give others the middle finger when asked to play cooperatively. Oh and sprint is one of the factors contributing to that. Again, this game is (like Reach) always focusing on how to boost your ego. Reach wanted to make you feel special with all of your little perks and armor abilities to help you play "the way you want." Not to mention all of the emphasis on cool shiny customizeable armors. It's been catering to kids, I swear. Halo 2 had it perfectly fine with just being able to change colors and species. Halo 3 had a limited set which was alright; back then Bungie didn't need to focus so much on trivial things like different visuals to keep their community entertained. [i]*cough competitive play cough*[/i] And can someone tell me where in the hell the flood is coming from? Clearly I missed something because last I heard Cortana told us the flood was wiped out. Not to mention they look completely retarded now. /endrant for now[/quote] Calls people who like Halo 4 kids. Your opinion is rendered invalid. *leaves* [Edited on 10.03.2012 6:48 PM PDT]

no stoopid halo 4 has a 4 and reach has reach By that logic you were just presented with, I don't see how you could ever mistake the two.

ITT: 5 pages of I do not care. Clearly some of you guys do.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] shadow 2648 seeing as how I have actually played halo 4 and you have not... Halo 4 is nothing like halo reach, your entire argument is invalid. [/quote]Because you can tell that from 15 minutes of gameplay.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SliceNDice [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Ben2974 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] INoble Dragon [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Fr1day dont forget you are fighting Elites again and as of the end of Halo 3 there was meant to be a truce/peace between them and the UNSC. [/quote] In my opinion it will be REALLY illogical(almost absurd) that there would be "peace" just like that. 30 years in a war, where Elites firmly believed that humans HAVE to be completely destroyed, and then someone (The Arbiter) said everything their lives were based was a completely lie... I don't think they will change to be "in peace" with humans like that. Isn't how it works. Just look to human history, our civilization is far for beign uniform, there would be a lot of groups that will take the news in a different light. Specially something like religion. (It was the Elite's faith after all...) How many Germans never accepted the true about Hittler for example.... It does make more sense that some kind of fight still there between humans and elites. Unless is the whole Covenant. It makes sense.[/quote] You might be analyzing too deep with the history thing. Anyway the quick turn of alliance seemed pretty solid to me. It wasn't only the fact that the Arbiter found out the truth behind the scheme but also because Truth abandoned them for the brutes, basically throwing them away and stabbing them in the back.[/quote] That's not solid. That's just disregarding plotholes. Even though the Arbiter DID make a treaty, it wasn't for peace. It was for allying with the humans to fight a common enemy. At the end of the day, they still believed in the Covenant's teachings. They still hated the humans and would rather see them die. They didn't like the humans, but they wanted to stay alive. That's why they sided against the Covenant. Even though the Arbiter tried to stay peaceful, the Sangheli still believed in the teachings. Just because the three Truths were killed doesn't mean the whole faction was gone. You only took the icing off the cake, and forgot about the rest. Also, the Brutes were retards. They would believe it regardless, and nothing would change their mind. [/quote] Then what was the whole scene in Halo 2 with the Gravemind all about? This is the part where the Arbiter finds out the truth behind Truth's goals, or as you put it: "teachings." At that point, when he decided to point his gun at the brutes and essentially the covenant as a whole, he no longer believed in Truth. This validates the logical argument that the Arbiter was, in fact, on the humans' side. I can only imagine the Elite's supposed hatred of humans came from their blind support of the covenant's goals. There are a lot of pieces of evidence that support this as well, the biggest one (in my opinion) being when the Arbiter shakes the commander's hand with gratitude (or vice versa, but either way it was a very positive welcoming) at the supposed funeral of John 117 and Keyes. Other imagery include when the Chief and Arbiter are seen as keeping their backs to each other during the final cutscenes, essentially looking out for one another. This isn't real life and in a rhetorical perspective is easy to define that as a subtle message indicating that they are comrades/friends. [Edited on 10.03.2012 6:44 PM PDT]

seeing as how I have actually played halo 4 and you have not... Halo 4 is nothing like halo reach, your entire argument is invalid.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SkinneyJeanz16 Anther H2 tryhard trying to say reach gave the skilled kids Ar's and the bad kids rockets and shotgun's everygame. We really don't want tot hear you complain about AA's and how you hate it because it's not H2.[/quote] Halo 3, not Halo 2. Halo 3 has far the greatest number of purists when it comes to Halo 4.

Anther H2 tryhard trying to say reach gave the skilled kids Ar's and the bad kids rockets and shotgun's everygame. We really don't want tot hear you complain about AA's and how you hate it because it's not H2.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Ben2974 If you hated/dislsiked Halo Reach, what the hell is going to make you like Halo 4? Halo 4 basically has everything bad that Halo Reach has and more.[/quote]Armor Lock Your argument is invalid.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Ben2974 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] INoble Dragon [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Fr1day dont forget you are fighting Elites again and as of the end of Halo 3 there was meant to be a truce/peace between them and the UNSC. [/quote] In my opinion it will be REALLY illogical(almost absurd) that there would be "peace" just like that. 30 years in a war, where Elites firmly believed that humans HAVE to be completely destroyed, and then someone (The Arbiter) said everything their lives were based was a completely lie... I don't think they will change to be "in peace" with humans like that. Isn't how it works. Just look to human history, our civilization is far for beign uniform, there would be a lot of groups that will take the news in a different light. Specially something like religion. (It was the Elite's faith after all...) How many Germans never accepted the true about Hittler for example.... It does make more sense that some kind of fight still there between humans and elites. Unless is the whole Covenant. It makes sense.[/quote] You might be analyzing too deep with the history thing. Anyway the quick turn of alliance seemed pretty solid to me. It wasn't only the fact that the Arbiter found out the truth behind the scheme but also because Truth abandoned them for the brutes, basically throwing them away and stabbing them in the back.[/quote] That's not solid. That's just disregarding plotholes. Even though the Arbiter DID make a treaty, it wasn't for peace. It was for allying with the humans to fight a common enemy. At the end of the day, they still believed in the Covenant's teachings. They still hated the humans and would rather see them die. They didn't like the humans, but they wanted to stay alive. That's why they sided against the Covenant. Even though the Arbiter tried to stay peaceful, the Sangheli still believed in the teachings. Just because the three Truths were killed doesn't mean the whole faction was gone. You only took the icing off the cake, and forgot about the rest. Also, the Brutes were retards. They would believe it regardless, and nothing would change their mind.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Ben2974 You might be analyzing too deep with the history thing. Anyway the quick turn of alliance seemed pretty solid to me. It wasn't only the fact that the Arbiter found out the truth behind the scheme but also because Truth abandoned them for the brutes, basically throwing them away and stabbing them in the back.[/quote]Nope. Read Glasslands. The alliance we have with the Elites is quickly becoming destabilized. And both sides are plotting against the other. The majority of the Elites and the majority of the humans might believe that the war is over. But for those that are part of each sides' military they know that you don't simply forget about the blood spilled. And ONI is making sure that they have the resources they'll need when the time comes that things escalate towards inter-species war again. Which is exactly why the Spartan IV program even exists, as well as the construction of the UNSC Infinity was completed. The only part you got right was the fact that the Brutes were literally put down after the main events of Halo 3 by the Elites, so they aren't a separate faction you have to deal with.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Ben2974 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] INoble Dragon [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Fr1day dont forget you are fighting Elites again and as of the end of Halo 3 there was meant to be a truce/peace between them and the UNSC. [/quote] In my opinion it will be REALLY illogical(almost absurd) that there would be "peace" just like that. 30 years in a war, where Elites firmly believed that humans HAVE to be completely destroyed, and then someone (The Arbiter) said everything their lives were based was a completely lie... I don't think they will change to be "in peace" with humans like that. Isn't how it works. Just look to human history, our civilization is far for beign uniform, there would be a lot of groups that will take the news in a different light. Specially something like religion. (It was the Elite's faith after all...) How many Germans never accepted the true about Hittler for example.... It does make more sense that some kind of fight still there between humans and elites. Unless is the whole Covenant. It makes sense.[/quote] You might be analyzing too deep with the history thing. Anyway the quick turn of alliance seemed pretty solid to me. It wasn't only the fact that the Arbiter found out the truth behind the scheme but also because Truth abandoned them for the brutes, basically throwing them away and stabbing them in the back.[/quote] That's not solid. That's just disregarding plotholes. Even though the Arbiter DID make a treaty, it wasn't for peace. It was for allying with the humans to fight a common enemy. At the end of the day, they still believed in the Covenant's teachings. They still hated the humans and would rather see them die. They didn't like the humans, but they wanted to stay alive. That's why they sided against the Covenant. Even though the Arbiter tried to stay peaceful, the Sangheli still believed in the teachings. Just because the three Truths were killed doesn't mean the whole faction was gone. You only took the icing off the cake, and forgot about the rest. Also, the Brutes were retards. They would believe it regardless, and nothing would change their mind.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] OdorousLicense3 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DatDudeBV You are 100% correct and these halo fanboys don't want to hear it. [/quote][/quote] [Edited on 10.03.2012 2:37 PM PDT]

No, OP. You ARE Halo Reach.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Jesse Pinkman I like Reach, so what ever[/quote]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] INoble Dragon [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Fr1day dont forget you are fighting Elites again and as of the end of Halo 3 there was meant to be a truce/peace between them and the UNSC. [/quote] In my opinion it will be REALLY illogical(almost absurd) that there would be "peace" just like that. 30 years in a war, where Elites firmly believed that humans HAVE to be completely destroyed, and then someone (The Arbiter) said everything their lives were based was a completely lie... I don't think they will change to be "in peace" with humans like that. Isn't how it works. Just look to human history, our civilization is far for beign uniform, there would be a lot of groups that will take the news in a different light. Specially something like religion. (It was the Elite's faith after all...) How many Germans never accepted the true about Hittler for example.... It does make more sense that some kind of fight still there between humans and elites. Unless is the whole Covenant. It makes sense.[/quote] You might be analyzing too deep with the history thing. Anyway the quick turn of alliance seemed pretty solid to me. It wasn't only the fact that the Arbiter found out the truth behind the scheme but also because Truth abandoned them for the brutes, basically throwing them away and stabbing them in the back.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DatDudeBV I hate this forum so much. Not because of you op, but because of these stupid replies. You are 100% correct and these halo fanboys don't want to hear it. [/quote]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Fr1day dont forget you are fighting Elites again and as of the end of Halo 3 there was meant to be a truce/peace between them and the UNSC. [/quote] In my opinion it will be REALLY illogical(almost absurd) that there would be "peace" just like that. 30 years in a war, where Elites firmly believed that humans HAVE to be completely destroyed, and then someone (The Arbiter) said everything their lives were based was a completely lie... I don't think they will change to be "in peace" with humans like that. Isn't how it works. Just look to human history, our civilization is far for beign uniform, there would be a lot of groups that will take the news in a different light. Specially something like religion. (It was the Elite's faith after all...) How many Germans never accepted the true about Hittler for example.... It does make more sense that some kind of fight still there between humans and elites. Unless is the whole Covenant. It makes sense.

Halo 4 blowssssssssss

tl;dr No.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Gen Petitt [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DatDudeBV [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] BuzzKill9009 Halo Reach's failure has nothing to do with Halo 4. Yes there are some Reach elements in H4 Yes Reach left a bad taste in people's mouth Yes Reach changed a lot of things The thing is that Halo 4 is reverting back to the H3 experience. What was wrong with Reach Multiplayer wise was the change (that had potential) was done poorly. Now, 343i has listened to the feedback and changed it to the people's liking's, I encourage you to try it (rent or try it with a friend who has it) first and see if it actually appeals to you. A lot of people who have tried it say that it feels like H3[/quote] I've played it. It feels nothing like h3. It feels like reach.[/quote] Halo 3 and reach are both bad in there own way, CE will always be the best.[/quote] In terms of what (for CE and H3?)