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7/4/2012 1:04:56 AM
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Communism/socialism sounds good, when you're poor.
I'm poor, for example. I live with my grandparents because my mom is going back to school. My dad died an alcoholic when I was eight, so there has been no "real" income for a long, long time. However, I will not play the pity card. I have a great family and I live in a great town. I have opportunities, and I want to believe that I'm taking advantage of them.
Socialism sounds really good right now. I would have all medical expenses paid for, I would have my higher education paid for, and all the other "universal's" that are attached with common day socialism. And that's not even to mention the fact that I might have the opportunity to actually live in my own bedroom, have my own closet, etc.
But you want to know something? I still -blam!- hate socialism, communism, and everything else that derives from liberalism. I hate it all, because it does one thing: Takes from the people who have. I hate it because it reinforces entitlements and the thought that society owes you something. I hate it because it begins to remove the "hard work" aspect of taking yourself to the top.
Would socialism benefit me? Yeah. But it's bull-blam!-.
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Any sort of money sounds good when you're poor. [Edited on 07.05.2012 11:15 AM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Mitochondrion [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Teh Teddy Bear [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Mitochondrion [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Teh Teddy Bear [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ANinjaGuardian Why the hell is this still going.[/quote] I know right. Stop keeping this thread alive.[/quote] No[/quote] It is dying anyways. Don't worry about it.[/quote] No, it's not. That's why it's 9 pages long.[/quote] It got there very quicky, then slowed down. Imma stop replying cause I'm contributing to the problem.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Teh Teddy Bear [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Mitochondrion [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Teh Teddy Bear [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ANinjaGuardian Why the hell is this still going.[/quote] I know right. Stop keeping this thread alive.[/quote] No[/quote] It is dying anyways. Don't worry about it.[/quote] No, it's not. That's why it's 9 pages long.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Mitochondrion [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Teh Teddy Bear [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ANinjaGuardian Why the hell is this still going.[/quote] I know right. Stop keeping this thread alive.[/quote] No[/quote] It is dying anyways. Don't worry about it.
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It's not undeserved entitlement, its the duty of the government to provide for the well being of its citizens, which consists of things that may be considered socialism
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Teh Teddy Bear [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ANinjaGuardian Why the hell is this still going.[/quote] I know right. Stop keeping this thread alive.[/quote] No
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ANinjaGuardian Why the hell is this still going.[/quote] I know right. Stop keeping this thread alive.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] trojanlord95 Capitalist systems require a free market, which is the first thing to go when you get a "big" company. [/quote] Eh? Free markets and big companies do not interfere with each other - if anything, big companies are a staple of a free market. In a truly free market devoid of rules and regulations, you would see large companies coming out on top because of economies of scale - decreasing marginal costs that lower costs, and therefore prices, for consumers.
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Why the hell is this still going.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] The one God [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] bergXX09 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Teh Teddy Bear We don't have to be totally communist. We can be leaning a bit towards it though. And OP just because you have opportunities doesn't mean that other people do. Also, keep in mind the "higher ups" you are defending make millions of $$$ all the time while others who work very hard are starving. That's one of the things that happens when you let republicans run the country.[/quote] Democratic and Republican politicians are all the same. Romney and Obama are both rich ass sponsored politicians and are so alike that this election is most likely going to be close. It's both parties' faults for the state our country is in and cooperation is needed to achieve a healthier country, something neither side will do. Socialism doesn't work and Capitalism doesn't work on its own. Using both along with other political philosophies as a way to run the country would be better for everyone.[/quote] This is the most accurate response I've seen so far. That's pretty much what the US did between WW2 and the Reagan era, and what Scandinavian countries have now.[/quote] While I 100% agree with this post I would like to point out that capitalism does not work in practice along with communism. Capitalist systems require a free market, which is the first thing to go when you get a "big" company. What political system america is currently using is private monopolism not capitalism.
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No it doesn't. I'm poor and it sounds like an awful idea like Hitler or Stalin.
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Obviously alt is obvious.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] bergXX09 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Teh Teddy Bear We don't have to be totally communist. We can be leaning a bit towards it though. And OP just because you have opportunities doesn't mean that other people do. Also, keep in mind the "higher ups" you are defending make millions of $$$ all the time while others who work very hard are starving. That's one of the things that happens when you let republicans run the country.[/quote] Democratic and Republican politicians are all the same. Romney and Obama are both rich ass sponsored politicians and are so alike that this election is most likely going to be close. It's both parties' faults for the state our country is in and cooperation is needed to achieve a healthier country, something neither side will do. Socialism doesn't work and Capitalism doesn't work on its own. Using both along with other political philosophies as a way to run the country would be better for everyone.[/quote] This is the most accurate response I've seen so far. That's pretty much what the US did between WW2 and the Reagan era, and what Scandinavian countries have now.
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Political and economic extremes are always more attractive for those in bad spots. Be it Socialism or even Communism, or extreme Conservatism or even Fascism. It's no small wonder, as people want a hand or someone to blame for their situation.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A Good Troll [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Teh Teddy Bear ex. If a dermatologist wants to remove a mole for $1000 that the person doesn't need removed in the first place anyway, there is no agency that can say they cannot do that. I have multiple family members in general care, and they are the ones telling me this system, just so you know.[/quote] There isn't a physicican in the world that operates on someone without prior consent unless they want a lawsuit. You've obviously never been to the doctor because you've never seen the stacks of legal documents you have to sign acknowledging each and every surgery or possible complication.[/quote] As I mentioned earlier, everything that I'm saying is coming from my multiple family members that have been doctors for 10+ years. I'm just repeating what they tell me about the system.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] bergXX09 Meh, a lot of what Obama has succeeded on is because of Bush's actions (either good ones that he played on or using Bush's bad actions to have better public opinion) but also Obama has re-signed a bunch of Bush's created bills. I'm not saying Bush wasn't bad but I think it is being exaggerated on just how awful he was. [/quote] He moved more to the center in his second term. I think Pres. Obama has stuck with the Bush strategy when it comes to foreign policy, though he doesn't seem to be as... reckless. But, with major legislation, it's hard to see the similarities. Mr. Obama was against renewing the Bush tax cuts, for example, and while Pres. Bush favored deregulation (like we saw in 2003), Pres. Obama has repeatedly pushed for tighter regulation. There's also a clear difference in social ideology between the two. [Edited on 07.05.2012 10:32 AM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Teh Teddy Bear ex. If a dermatologist wants to remove a mole for $1000 that the person doesn't need removed in the first place anyway, there is no agency that can say they cannot do that. I have multiple family members in general care, and they are the ones telling me this system, just so you know.[/quote] There isn't a physicican in the world that operates on someone without prior consent unless they want a lawsuit. You've obviously never been to the doctor because you've never seen the stacks of legal documents you have to sign acknowledging each and every surgery or possible complication.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Teh Teddy Bear [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] theHurtfulTurkey [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Teh Teddy Bear (just thought I'd add) If you look at specialists (ie dermatologists, dentists, etc.), they can charge whatever they want for even little things. Example- to replace a crown on a tooth, how much would that cost? Perhaps 100? 200? 500? They charge around 4 or 5 THOUSAND dollars. And don't tell me that the labor and materials cost that much. Guess where the money is going? Their pockets.[/quote] This isn't true; the fact that you think business owners can charge whatever they want and still stay in business exposes a lack of basic economic knowledge that really disqualifies you from talking about this subject. On top of that, the fact that you think dentists make 100% profit is laughable.[/quote] I never said they make 100%, but they make a large part. And many times businesses DO charge whatever they want. I mean, they is a limit I suppose, but especially with specialists a lot of what they can charge goes unregulated.[/quote] Again, that's just not true. The prices they charge follow the laws of supply and demand, or they go out of business. As for how much money they make, doctors and dentists that own their own practice don't actually make as much people like to assume. Rent on their office, salaries for their employees, and insurance for their practice are just a few of the significant costs which drastically cut down how much money they make.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Teh Teddy Bear [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] theHurtfulTurkey [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Teh Teddy Bear (just thought I'd add) If you look at specialists (ie dermatologists, dentists, etc.), they can charge whatever they want for even little things. Example- to replace a crown on a tooth, how much would that cost? Perhaps 100? 200? 500? They charge around 4 or 5 THOUSAND dollars. And don't tell me that the labor and materials cost that much. Guess where the money is going? Their pockets.[/quote] This isn't true; the fact that you think business owners can charge whatever they want and still stay in business exposes a lack of basic economic knowledge that really disqualifies you from talking about this subject. On top of that, the fact that you think dentists make 100% profit is laughable.[/quote] I never said they make 100%, but they make a large part. And many times businesses DO charge whatever they want. I mean, they is a limit I suppose, but especially with specialists a lot of what they can charge goes unregulated.[/quote] Businesses can charage whatever they want - the coke machine down in the break room could be $100 a bottle. That matters very little. What matters is whether or not consumers are willing to pay for it - and I know dentists do not charge $5,000 for crowns. $800-1,200 is normal.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] theHurtfulTurkey [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Teh Teddy Bear (just thought I'd add) If you look at specialists (ie dermatologists, dentists, etc.), they can charge whatever they want for even little things. Example- to replace a crown on a tooth, how much would that cost? Perhaps 100? 200? 500? They charge around 4 or 5 THOUSAND dollars. And don't tell me that the labor and materials cost that much. Guess where the money is going? Their pockets.[/quote] This isn't true; the fact that you think business owners can charge whatever they want and still stay in business exposes a lack of basic economic knowledge that really disqualifies you from talking about this subject. On top of that, the fact that you think dentists make 100% profit is laughable.[/quote] I never said they make 100%, but they make a large part. And many times businesses DO charge whatever they want. I mean, they is a limit I suppose, but especially with specialists a lot of what they can charge goes unregulated. ex. If a dermatologist wants to remove a mole for $1000 that the person doesn't need removed in the first place anyway, there is no agency that can say they cannot do that. I have multiple family members in general care, and they are the ones telling me this system, just so you know. [Edited on 07.05.2012 10:28 AM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Teh Teddy Bear [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] bergXX09 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Teh Teddy Bear [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A Good Troll [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Teh Teddy Bear That's one of the things that happens when you let republicans run the country.[/quote] That is why the President and Senate are Republican-controlled right?[/quote] not now man. we are talking way past[/quote] Past as in Reagan and his amazing presidency?[/quote] not that far back! Bush[/quote] Meh, a lot of what Obama has succeeded on is because of Bush's actions (either good ones that he played on or using Bush's bad actions to have better public opinion) but also Obama has re-signed a bunch of Bush's created bills. I'm not saying Bush wasn't bad but I think it is being exaggerated on just how awful he was. [Edited on 07.05.2012 10:24 AM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Teh Teddy Bear (just thought I'd add) If you look at specialists (ie dermatologists, dentists, etc.), they can charge whatever they want for even little things. Example- to replace a crown on a tooth, how much would that cost? Perhaps 100? 200? 500? They charge around 4 or 5 THOUSAND dollars. And don't tell me that the labor and materials cost that much. Guess where the money is going? Their pockets.[/quote] This isn't true; the fact that you think business owners can charge whatever they want and still stay in business exposes a lack of basic economic knowledge that really disqualifies you from talking about this subject. On top of that, the fact that you think dentists make 100% profit is laughable.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] bergXX09 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Teh Teddy Bear [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A Good Troll [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Teh Teddy Bear That's one of the things that happens when you let republicans run the country.[/quote] That is why the President and Senate are Republican-controlled right?[/quote] not now man. we are talking way past[/quote] Past as in Reagan and his amazing presidency?[/quote] not that far back! Bush
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] deltahalo UK [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Sir Charles [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] john5550 The doctors aren't squeezing me. It's the fees that must be paid for this illness that get on my nerves. It's bad enough that my mind barely works half the time, but they stress me to the point it doesn't work 75% of the time.[/quote] Doctor's are pawns of pharmaceutical companies. They take your symptoms, check their lists, and pick which 'ailment' seems to be the one you have. Then they give you a drug (or two... or three) to try and stop the symptoms, as opposed to actually fixing the problem. This -blam!- isn't going to change once we get universal healthcare. In fact, it's only going to make it worse sense more doctors will have to serve (more like screw) more people.[/quote] Well no because the hospital isn't a money making venture, thus eliminating the pull of the pharmaceutical company. Doctors might be slightly more overworked, but you're making doctors treating more people sound like a bad thing. More people being healed? The horror![/quote] (just thought I'd add) If you look at specialists (ie dermatologists, dentists, etc.), they can charge whatever they want for even little things. Example- to replace a crown on a tooth, how much would that cost? Perhaps 100? 200? 500? They charge around 4 or 5 THOUSAND dollars. And don't tell me that the labor and materials cost that much. Guess where the money is going? Their pockets. Btw many insurance companies don't cover that kind of thing, (sometimes part of it), because it is considered "cosmetic". [Edited on 07.05.2012 10:21 AM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Teh Teddy Bear [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A Good Troll [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Teh Teddy Bear That's one of the things that happens when you let republicans run the country.[/quote] That is why the President and Senate are Republican-controlled right?[/quote] not now man. we are talking way past[/quote] So why haven't things changed? Democrats held complete control of Executive and Legislative for two years and still hold near full control now. Why has wealth inequality continued to grow? Why have average hours worked per American continued to rise? Why is consumer sentiment near all-time lows? Democrat vs. Republican arguments are stupid.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Teh Teddy Bear [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A Good Troll [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Teh Teddy Bear That's one of the things that happens when you let republicans run the country.[/quote] That is why the President and Senate are Republican-controlled right?[/quote] not now man. we are talking way past[/quote] Past as in Reagan and his amazing presidency?
