[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ajw34307 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Spartan1065 As Bungie employees have pointed out several times, no, no they are not the same universe. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ajw34307 [/quote]I'm surprised you're still going at it in this forum ajw, this is my first time in the Universe in quite some time.[/quote] I really don't know what keeps me going here, to be brutally honest. Welcome back, the place, as you can see, is a mess.[/quote]Glad to see nothing's changed.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Spartan1065 As Bungie employees have pointed out several times, no, no they are not the same universe. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ajw34307 [/quote]I'm surprised you're still going at it in this forum ajw, this is my first time in the Universe in quite some time.[/quote] I really don't know what keeps me going here, to be brutally honest. Welcome back, the place, as you can see, is a mess.

As Bungie employees have pointed out several times, no, no they are not the same universe. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ajw34307 [/quote]I'm surprised you're still going at it in this forum ajw, this is my first time in the Universe in quite some time. [Edited on 07.05.2012 12:02 PM PDT]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ajw34307 Also, Marathon cannot be integrated into the Halo universe ever because Microsoft do not own the Marathon IP and Bungie do not own the Halo IP.[/quote] This right here. Argue and disagree all you want, but when all is said and done...the two universes can never be the same for legal reasons. Bungie owns Marathon and Microsoft owns Halo.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] tjal I only said you can't prove it. Nothing can be proven. There is one exception: math is the only thing a human being can proof, because we created math to obey certain rules. NOTHING else can be proven with 100% accuracy. NOTHING. You can try to proof something to me (that is not math related, physics/chemistry/biology are allowed), trust me: i will find a way to find a flaw in your proof. Easy way to find flaws in the proof stated above: one of the games was a dream... (this does not in any way reflect what i think about the games) That said: I don't think they will ever be in the same universe.[/quote] Have you paid [i]any[/i] attention to anything that has been said? I can't make it clearer - THEY'RE NOT IN THE SAME UNIVERSE, it can be proven 100% accurately because [url=http://web.archive.org/web/20050208043621/www.bungie.net/Games/Marathon/page.aspx?section=FAQInfo&subsection=FAQs&page=1]the developers themselves have said this. [quote]Q - "Is Marathon the prequel to Halo?" A - "No, Marathon is a separate story, with wholly different characters, story and gameplay."[/quote] [quote]Q - Are the Pfhor related to The Covenant? A - "No, although they do share some traits -such as enslaving client races, they are entirely separate and each exists in a different universe."[/quote][/url] Marathon has [url=http://marathon.bungie.org/story/]one of the most drawn out and detailed stories in all of Bungie's games[/url], absolutely none of it can fit into the Halo universe for reasons Sardonic13 spelled out in my post above. There are but references in terms of characterisation and narrative, but that's all it is - references. Don't give me this "nothing can be proven with 100% accuratcy" tripe because it's not true at all. [Edited on 07.05.2012 5:39 AM PDT]

The universes have Divergence, with marathon having a much faster growth of technology, and no covies...

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ajw34307 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] tjal Well, you can't prove that they are not in the same universe.[/quote] I certainly can, this discussion has been had about a thousand times over and the outcome is [i]always[/i] the same. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b]Sardonic13 However a closer inspection of both the Marathon and Halo timelines will reveal precise contradictions which clearly illustrate that both stories cannot simultaneously coexist in one universe. The two most common and most damning contradictions are found in technologies unique to each universe. Faster Than Light Travel The first contradiction involves the technology of faster than light (FTL) travel. Everyone knows that in Halo, FTL travel is possible by using Slipspace. According to the Halo timeline, the Shaw-Fujikawa Translight Engine was created in 2291. By 2310 FTL travel was being used to start colonies. By 2390, colonization of the Inner Colonies was fully underway. By 2468, Outer Colonies were being settled. By 2490, the colonization boom was well underway and human space encompassed more than 800 worlds. A quick study of Marathon's timeline will reveal a very different story. The conversion of Mars' moon Deimos into the Colony Ship Marathon began in 2408. It was completed 64 years later in 2472. It took the Marathon 300 years to travel from Sol to Tau Ceti (a distance of 12 light years). Obviously the Marathon was not equipped with FTL travel capability. [b]It is unconscionable that a colony ship would be built without FTL travel capability 117 years after the discovery of the FTL travel engine and during the golden age of FTL travel driven space exploration and colonization. Therefore it is not possible that the Halo and Marathon stories exist in the same universe.[/b] Teleportation Technology According to the Marathon timeline, teleporters began to be used in Sol as early as 2319. The Marathon, which was constructed from 2408 - 2472 was equipped with teleportation technology. In the Halo universe teleportation technology was still unknown to humanity in 2552, 233 years after it was being used in Sol in the Marathon universe. FTL travel and teleportation technologies are both unique to their respective universes and of primary importance in the telling of each story. These technological contradictions are irreconcilable, and therefore prove that the Marathon and Halo universes cannot be one in the same.[/quote] Also, Marathon cannot be integrated into the Halo universe ever because Microsoft do not own the Marathon IP and Bungie do not own the Halo IP.[/quote] Although I agree with you for the most part, the [b]bolded[/b] part comes close to the dumbest thing I have ever read on the internet. And I have read some pretty stupid stuff.

I only said you can't prove it. Nothing can be proven. There is one exception: math is the only thing a human being can proof, because we created math to obey certain rules. NOTHING else can be proven with 100% accuracy. NOTHING. You can try to proof something to me (that is not math related, physics/chemistry/biology are allowed), trust me: i will find a way to find a flaw in your proof. Easy way to find flaws in the proof stated above: one of the games was a dream... (this does not in any way reflect what i think about the games) That said: I don't think they will ever be in the same universe.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ajw34307 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ArBit3R 818 HEY! HEY! Alternate dimensions, same universe.[/quote] Have you paid [i]any[/i] attention to what has been said in this thread? Not only has this been disputed a thousand times over, it's impossible for Halo and Marathon to be in the same universe. Also, what you've said just makes [i]less[/i] sense than anything else...[/quote] One can dream. [i]Alternate Dimensions[/i] Quantam Conundrum

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ArBit3R 818 HEY! HEY! Alternate dimensions, same universe.[/quote] Have you paid [i]any[/i] attention to what has been said in this thread? Not only has this been disputed a thousand times over, it's impossible for Halo and Marathon to be in the same universe. Also, what you've said just makes [i]less[/i] sense than anything else...

HEY! HEY! Alternate dimensions, same universe.

^^ This guy, this guy right here.^^

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] tjal Well, you can't prove that they are not in the same universe.[/quote] I certainly can, this discussion has been had about a thousand times over and the outcome is [i]always[/i] the same. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b]Sardonic13 However a closer inspection of both the Marathon and Halo timelines will reveal precise contradictions which clearly illustrate that both stories cannot simultaneously coexist in one universe. The two most common and most damning contradictions are found in technologies unique to each universe. Faster Than Light Travel The first contradiction involves the technology of faster than light (FTL) travel. Everyone knows that in Halo, FTL travel is possible by using Slipspace. According to the Halo timeline, the Shaw-Fujikawa Translight Engine was created in 2291. By 2310 FTL travel was being used to start colonies. By 2390, colonization of the Inner Colonies was fully underway. By 2468, Outer Colonies were being settled. By 2490, the colonization boom was well underway and human space encompassed more than 800 worlds. A quick study of Marathon's timeline will reveal a very different story. The conversion of Mars' moon Deimos into the Colony Ship Marathon began in 2408. It was completed 64 years later in 2472. It took the Marathon 300 years to travel from Sol to Tau Ceti (a distance of 12 light years). Obviously the Marathon was not equipped with FTL travel capability. It is unconscionable that a colony ship would be built without FTL travel capability 117 years after the discovery of the FTL travel engine and during the golden age of FTL travel driven space exploration and colonization. Therefore it is not possible that the Halo and Marathon stories exist in the same universe. Teleportation Technology According to the Marathon timeline, teleporters began to be used in Sol as early as 2319. The Marathon, which was constructed from 2408 - 2472 was equipped with teleportation technology. In the Halo universe teleportation technology was still unknown to humanity in 2552, 233 years after it was being used in Sol in the Marathon universe. FTL travel and teleportation technologies are both unique to their respective universes and of primary importance in the telling of each story. These technological contradictions are irreconcilable, and therefore prove that the Marathon and Halo universes cannot be one in the same.[/quote] Also, Marathon cannot be integrated into the Halo universe ever because Microsoft do not own the Marathon IP and Bungie do not own the Halo IP.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] tjal [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ajw34307 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] realdomdom [quote]Are Marathon & halo in the same universe?[/quote] Not ... yet.[/quote] I assume this is some kind of bad joke?[/quote] Well, you can't prove that they are not in the same universe. Most likely they are not, untill a writer decides that they are ;) But I don't think they are.[/quote] "They are seperate universes." --Bungie studios on several different occasions over the past ten years.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ajw34307 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] realdomdom [quote]Are Marathon & halo in the same universe?[/quote] Not ... yet.[/quote] I assume this is some kind of bad joke?[/quote] Well, you can't prove that they are not in the same universe. Most likely they are not, untill a writer decides that they are ;) But I don't think they are.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] realdomdom [quote]Are Marathon & halo in the same universe?[/quote] Not ... yet.[/quote] I assume this is some kind of bad joke?

[quote]Are Marathon & halo in the same universe?[/quote] Not ... yet.

There are some shout outs to Marathon (like how the Marathon symbol shows up all over the place) but they are not connected.

for the 4 trillionth time, no.

Nope.