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6/17/2012 2:09:08 PM
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The differences between Spartan I's, II's, III's and IV's.
SPARTAN I (Previous name: ORION)
Spartan I's were adult volunteers originally intended to wear MJOLNIR and be augmented super soldiers. These augmentations failed, however and the project was scrapped. These minor augmentations were not at all effective and all Spartan I's were fit for regular military duty.
Spartan II
Spartan II's were kidnapped at the age of 6/7 and trained to become super soldiers. At age 14 (approx) they were massively augmented, becoming incredibly fast and strong, unlike anything else before them. However, these augmentations would kill or cripple half of the Spartan II's, so only 33 out of the 75 were fit for duty afterwards.
Spartan II's have the strongest version of MJOLNIR, as there intense physical condition, thanks to the augmentations, can cope with the armour. For example, a Marine wearing Spartan armour would be crushed within the suit, while Spartans will not be. Spartan II's received energy shielding in 2552.
Spartan III
Spartan III's were comprised of vengeful orphans whose loved ones and worlds were destroyed by the Covenant. They volunteered, unlike the II's. The age of augmentation normally differed from 6-11 years old. (S259 Carter was 11 when he underwent the procedure) The Spartan III's had less severe augmentations, mostly gene therapies that made them far stronger and faster then normal. However, they lacked the mechanical augmentations of the II's.
Spartan III's had SPI armour, weaker armour with no shields but with Active Camouflage. (Some SPI variants did have weak shielding, however) Also, Spartan III's were experts with Covenant technology, famously using Jackal shield gauntlets in Ghosts of Onyx.
Spartan III's all survived augmentation but were sent on suicide missions. They almost all died, but those who survived twice were given a spot in the Headhunters.
There were a total of 900 Spartan III's trained.
Spartan IV's.
Spartan IV's are the success story of the Spartans. They were what Spartan I intended to achieve. They were all adult volunteers who had very minor augmentations. They are created and trained on the UNSC Infinity and have a weaker version of MJOLNIR.
Hope this clears some queries up. :P
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1 Reply[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Adragalus [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] X Delta Xero X [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Adragalus S-IIIs have the exact same augs as the S-IIs, just delivered differently. S-IIs were surgically altered, while S-IIIs received these same augmentations through chemicals and drugs, as well as a set of 3 drugs to prevent shock and psychosis. The main distinction lies in the length of their training, and in the fact that the S-IIIs lack the platinum HGH catalyst present in S-IIs, making them slightly smaller in stature. S-IIs had no "mechanical" augmentations. Headhunters didn't survive twice, as there are in total only two known survivors of Alpha and Beta company operations. Instead, Headhunters and Noble team etc. were pulled out of company training and segregated into different units such as the Headhunters.[/quote]What about the physical augmentation that the S-II's received that made their skeletal structures practically indestructible? S-III's obviously didn't have that, but it was mostly ignored in Halo CE.[/quote]They got it too, but instead of being grafted in sheets or whatever through invasive surgery, the ceramic ossification was applied through "electroplating," if you will, using drugs to apply in on a molecular level. It's not ignored in CE. A line from Fall of Reach when the S-IIs storm an Insurrectionist base, the Chief looks down an elevator shaft and thinks something like "A thirty-meter plunge into complete blackness: his bones wouldn't break, but his organs might rupture, and there would be severe internal trauma." Leap off of a cliff in CE, and you dislocate your legs and jam your tibia up into your ribcage. Unbreakable bones or not, that'll kill you.[/quote] Yea, exactly. The Mark V armour couldn't withstand massive falls without the armour being locked, as told in The Fall of Reach. That is why in Halo Reach there is fall damage. In Halo 2, 3 and 4 in single player you use Mark VI, which can withstand massive falls, to a certain degree. Master Chief withstood a fall at the start of Halo 3 that can be compared to the Spartans in free fall in the Fall of Reach. It shows shows how the newer armour can withstand greater falls. In the book, the Spartans with Mark V armour on suffered losses, and at the least ruptured internal organs. And Spartan II's could all be the same size as Jorge, who knows? It could definitely show how different the II's and III's are from eachother. [Edited on 07.13.2012 9:34 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Spartan1995324 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MozzarellaMonky Your right but he have augs that did make him smarter and stronger. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] GoofballH2 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Nocbl2 S 1 Actually, the augmentations DID work for some of them. Johnson, in particular, developed a resistance to the Flood infection, and is marginally more strong, fast, and intelligent than the Marines around him, in part due to the augmentations. S2 Several of the Spartans incapacitated by the enhancements later recovered and were put into active service. S 3 Age of augmentation was actually about 12 for most, Carter went under the knife at 18(IIRC). The threes received improved augmentations, not reduced ones. An S-III is just as strong as an SII. Several of them also got things to make them more aggressive, which had to be monitored with medications to prevent bad things happening. And no, they were not "experts"; they had knowledge of how to use Covenant technology, certainly, but they had no understanding of the technical aspects. The S 4 program are the best of the best ODSTs, Marines, and Army personnel. Their MJOLNIR and augmentations are no weaker than those of the previous generations.[/quote] I thought johnson got boren's disease from a crate of captured plasma grenades which caused him to become immune to the flood.[/quote][/quote]No he's wrong. The whole Boren's disease thing is a cover up story. Project ORION is still a secret. ONI just made up some BS story to cover up for the fact that Johnson is immune to the Flood. Look it up. Consider it a side effect of the augments.[/quote] Pretty sure the immunity was retconned by HGN in the first place. In HGN he escapes, but isn't attacked by an infection form.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MozzarellaMonky Your right but he have augs that did make him smarter and stronger. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] GoofballH2 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Nocbl2 S 1 Actually, the augmentations DID work for some of them. Johnson, in particular, developed a resistance to the Flood infection, and is marginally more strong, fast, and intelligent than the Marines around him, in part due to the augmentations. S2 Several of the Spartans incapacitated by the enhancements later recovered and were put into active service. S 3 Age of augmentation was actually about 12 for most, Carter went under the knife at 18(IIRC). The threes received improved augmentations, not reduced ones. An S-III is just as strong as an SII. Several of them also got things to make them more aggressive, which had to be monitored with medications to prevent bad things happening. And no, they were not "experts"; they had knowledge of how to use Covenant technology, certainly, but they had no understanding of the technical aspects. The S 4 program are the best of the best ODSTs, Marines, and Army personnel. Their MJOLNIR and augmentations are no weaker than those of the previous generations.[/quote] I thought johnson got boren's disease from a crate of captured plasma grenades which caused him to become immune to the flood.[/quote][/quote]No he's wrong. The whole Boren's disease thing is a cover up story. Project ORION is still a secret. ONI just made up some BS story to cover up for the fact that Johnson is immune to the Flood. Look it up. Consider it a side effect of the augments. [Edited on 07.14.2012 9:21 PM PDT]
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Your right but he have augs that did make him smarter and stronger. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] GoofballH2 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Nocbl2 S 1 Actually, the augmentations DID work for some of them. Johnson, in particular, developed a resistance to the Flood infection, and is marginally more strong, fast, and intelligent than the Marines around him, in part due to the augmentations. S2 Several of the Spartans incapacitated by the enhancements later recovered and were put into active service. S 3 Age of augmentation was actually about 12 for most, Carter went under the knife at 18(IIRC). The threes received improved augmentations, not reduced ones. An S-III is just as strong as an SII. Several of them also got things to make them more aggressive, which had to be monitored with medications to prevent bad things happening. And no, they were not "experts"; they had knowledge of how to use Covenant technology, certainly, but they had no understanding of the technical aspects. The S 4 program are the best of the best ODSTs, Marines, and Army personnel. Their MJOLNIR and augmentations are no weaker than those of the previous generations.[/quote] I thought johnson got boren's disease from a crate of captured plasma grenades which caused him to become immune to the flood.[/quote]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] thebobafettest [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ferrrari [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Nocbl2 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Plasma Prestige Invoking your biases of the Spartan-III program in your description is incredibly misleading. Spartan-IIIs received the same augmentations as the IIs, although via drugs rather than surgical procedures. The only augmentation the IIIs did not receive which the IIs did was the thyroid implant, which made the Spartan-IIs significantly taller and bulkier than the IIs and IIIs. Regardless, the only reason the IIIs were not given MJOLNIR is because of the enormous expense of the exoskeletons, not because of physical inability to wield it. [/quote]Um.. I'm pretty sure both SII and III received drugs...[/quote] No spartan 3s did not have a thyroid implant. However look at noble team there more or less the same size as normal spartan 2s. People only think there small because they compare noble team to jorge, who is giant even by spartan 2 terms...[/quote] Not really, huge for SII's would be Sam, who was over 8 feet tall. Jorge is normal size (well, for SII's...), the SIII's are a bit shorter then the II's, think 6'6" to 6'10" rather then over 7 feet on average.[/quote] Jorge is 223 centimeters. John is 201 Sam was a head taller, so similar in height to Jorge.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ferrrari [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Nocbl2 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Plasma Prestige Invoking your biases of the Spartan-III program in your description is incredibly misleading. Spartan-IIIs received the same augmentations as the IIs, although via drugs rather than surgical procedures. The only augmentation the IIIs did not receive which the IIs did was the thyroid implant, which made the Spartan-IIs significantly taller and bulkier than the IIs and IIIs. Regardless, the only reason the IIIs were not given MJOLNIR is because of the enormous expense of the exoskeletons, not because of physical inability to wield it. [/quote]Um.. I'm pretty sure both SII and III received drugs...[/quote] No spartan 3s did not have a thyroid implant. However look at noble team there more or less the same size as normal spartan 2s. People only think there small because they compare noble team to jorge, who is giant even by spartan 2 terms...[/quote] Not really, huge for SII's would be Sam, who was over 8 feet tall. Jorge is normal size (well, for SII's...), the SIII's are a bit shorter then the II's, think 6'6" to 6'10" rather then over 7 feet on average. [Edited on 07.14.2012 3:01 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] dangerman1337 IIRC I've heard that Spartan 3's augmentations are on the level of the Spartan 2's expected results but the Spartan 2's augmentations when successfuly done to the recurits who make it through surprassed expectations? Could someone clarify this?[/quote] The Spartan's who didn't washout with the augmentations adapted to them faster and better than they were expecting. Chief Mendez explains this to Halsey when he takes her to the Mine where the Spartan's are training in The Fall of Reach. Their reaction times were off the charts, Kelly's speed was more than expected... Stuff like that. I'm sure this is possible to have happened to the Spartan III' s, but was just never mentioned since the whole augmentation process and how bodies would react to it was a first time thing with the Spartan II's, and now Kurt knew that it would happen and was not surprised... Or simply, the Spartan III's didn't exceed expectations due to their augmentations being done through drugs instead of through a surgical process, which I imagine is more effective but [i]a lot[/i] more painful.
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IIRC I've heard that Spartan 3's augmentations are on the level of the Spartan 2's expected results but the Spartan 2's augmentations when successfuly done to the recurits who make it through surprassed expectations? Could someone clarify this?
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SIV's are dwarfed by Sangheili as seen in the SO trailer.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] X Delta Xero X [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Adragalus S-IIIs have the exact same augs as the S-IIs, just delivered differently. S-IIs were surgically altered, while S-IIIs received these same augmentations through chemicals and drugs, as well as a set of 3 drugs to prevent shock and psychosis. The main distinction lies in the length of their training, and in the fact that the S-IIIs lack the platinum HGH catalyst present in S-IIs, making them slightly smaller in stature. S-IIs had no "mechanical" augmentations. Headhunters didn't survive twice, as there are in total only two known survivors of Alpha and Beta company operations. Instead, Headhunters and Noble team etc. were pulled out of company training and segregated into different units such as the Headhunters.[/quote]What about the physical augmentation that the S-II's received that made their skeletal structures practically indestructible? S-III's obviously didn't have that, but it was mostly ignored in Halo CE.[/quote]They got it too, but instead of being grafted in sheets or whatever through invasive surgery, the ceramic ossification was applied through "electroplating," if you will, using drugs to apply in on a molecular level. It's not ignored in CE. A line from Fall of Reach when the S-IIs storm an Insurrectionist base, the Chief looks down an elevator shaft and thinks something like "A thirty-meter plunge into complete blackness: his bones wouldn't break, but his organs might rupture, and there would be severe internal trauma." Leap off of a cliff in CE, and you dislocate your legs and jam your tibia up into your ribcage. Unbreakable bones or not, that'll kill you.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] X Delta Xero X [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Adragalus S-IIIs have the exact same augs as the S-IIs, just delivered differently. S-IIs were surgically altered, while S-IIIs received these same augmentations through chemicals and drugs, as well as a set of 3 drugs to prevent shock and psychosis. The main distinction lies in the length of their training, and in the fact that the S-IIIs lack the platinum HGH catalyst present in S-IIs, making them slightly smaller in stature. S-IIs had no "mechanical" augmentations. Headhunters didn't survive twice, as there are in total only two known survivors of Alpha and Beta company operations. Instead, Headhunters and Noble team etc. were pulled out of company training and segregated into different units such as the Headhunters.[/quote]What about the physical augmentation that the S-II's received that made their skeletal structures practically indestructible? S-III's obviously didn't have that, but it was mostly ignored in Halo CE.[/quote] Actually, the S-IIs ceramic ossification procedures were administered through a surgery and were applied directly to the bones, whereas the S-IIIS received their augmentations through injections. Their bones are equally strong (as we have seen with Noble Team operating MJOLNIR armor without pulverizing their skeletons), but the risks of the grafting are significantly less, as the drugs are both safer by this point and do not require invasive surgery to apply.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] X Delta Xero X [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Adragalus S-IIIs have the exact same augs as the S-IIs, just delivered differently. S-IIs were surgically altered, while S-IIIs received these same augmentations through chemicals and drugs, as well as a set of 3 drugs to prevent shock and psychosis. The main distinction lies in the length of their training, and in the fact that the S-IIIs lack the platinum HGH catalyst present in S-IIs, making them slightly smaller in stature. S-IIs had no "mechanical" augmentations. Headhunters didn't survive twice, as there are in total only two known survivors of Alpha and Beta company operations. Instead, Headhunters and Noble team etc. were pulled out of company training and segregated into different units such as the Headhunters.[/quote]What about the physical augmentation that the S-II's received that made their skeletal structures practically indestructible? S-III's obviously didn't have that, but it was mostly ignored in Halo CE.[/quote] Actually, S3's do have that. What's your proof otherwise? That augmentation, like others, simply wasn't applied through heavy invasive surgery. The only augmentation that wasn't shared was the thyroid implant which made the S2's taller. And that was cause said implant was REQUIRED(as I've read) for the S2 implants to fully take effect/affect the entire body.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Adragalus S-IIIs have the exact same augs as the S-IIs, just delivered differently. S-IIs were surgically altered, while S-IIIs received these same augmentations through chemicals and drugs, as well as a set of 3 drugs to prevent shock and psychosis. The main distinction lies in the length of their training, and in the fact that the S-IIIs lack the platinum HGH catalyst present in S-IIs, making them slightly smaller in stature. S-IIs had no "mechanical" augmentations. Headhunters didn't survive twice, as there are in total only two known survivors of Alpha and Beta company operations. Instead, Headhunters and Noble team etc. were pulled out of company training and segregated into different units such as the Headhunters.[/quote]What about the physical augmentation that the S-II's received that made their skeletal structures practically indestructible? S-III's obviously didn't have that, but it was mostly ignored in Halo CE.
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They've also said Mark VII and Gen2 are two different armors entirely IIRC.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Spartan1995324 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DecepticonCobra [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Spartan1995324 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DecepticonCobra [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Spartan1995324 If Spartans IVs are "just as good" as Spartan IIs and IIIs then why is their armour constantly referred to as "lightweight" MJOLNIR? If the new generation of MJOLNIR armour was lightweight to begone with, they'd only have to state "Mark VII armour is more lightweight than Mark VI". Yet they constantly say "lightweight" as if to say they have to wear a special ligjter variant because they can't handle the weight of normal MJOLNIR?[/quote] Or the material is better and just lighter.[/quote]If that is the case with all MJOLNIR Mark VII suits then why the need to constantly refer to it as lightweight MJOLNIR. They could just call it MJOLNIR and everyone would know that Mark VII is lighter than Mark VI. Why the emphasis on "light weight"?[/quote] I have a feeling you are exaggerating how many times they emphasize the lightweight aspect of it. It is GEN2 armor the Spartan-IVs are wearing. Really, I don't know. But looking at it, the armor doesn't look like it's any worse. [/quote]I agree the armour looks good in fact (without those crazy preorder skins). Also where did you get the whole GEN 2 idea? MJOLNIR armour progresses like this: Mark I, II, III, and so on. Chief's armour is Mark VI, as I'm sure you know. However here's an example of NOT emphasizing something that is standard in an armour set. When SPI was introduced we were told that it had no shields. Notice how they always referred to it as SPI armour and never "shield less SPI"? Constantly calling the Spartan 3's armour "shield less SPI" would have implied that there was some sort of variant of SPI with shields, which that we know of there isn't. So if the new MJOLNIR Mark VII armour was light weight as a standard feature, I don't see why they need to point it out more than once. Saying it over and over implies that there is some variant that is heavier, which that we know of doesn't exist. My question is why do they keep pointing out that's it light weight. If all Mark VIIs suits were like that then they could have told us straight up, like when they told us that SPI had no shields. They told us SPI was shield less once, why couldn't they say that MJOLNIR Mark VII was light weight once if it was a standard feature?[/quote] Headhunter SPI had shields :P
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You also have to remember that Spartan IIIs were "suicide spartans" meant to go on missions that were much more dangerous for a Spartan II. The original Spartan program was cut due to how expensive it was.
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Not to be rude, as you did a great job pulling this information together, but the Orion project was not renamed Spartan I. Oni wanted the new project (Spartan II's) to have a different name then Orion to distant itself from the failure of the previous project. Halsey complied but added II onto the end of the spartan title as a sign of respect for the Orion project test subjects. The Orion project was never actually renamed though. It's all in Halsey's journal that comes with the Reach Legendary edition.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Spartan1995324 I agree the armour looks good in fact (without those crazy preorder skins). Also where did you get the whole GEN 2 idea? MJOLNIR armour progresses like this: Mark I, II, III, and so on. Chief's armour is Mark VI, as I'm sure you know. However here's an example of NOT emphasizing something that is standard in an armour set.[/quote] [url=http://halo.xbox.com/halo4#!an-epic-universe/ordnance-armor/cbbca9b3-5108-41aa-aa21-9b523de68266]Near the bottom.[/url] I've seen it elsewhere too, but I can't remember where exactly. [quote]When SPI was introduced we were told that it had no shields. Notice how they always referred to it as SPI armour and never "shield less SPI"? Constantly calling the Spartan 3's armour "shield less SPI" would have implied that there was some sort of variant of SPI with shields, which that we know of there isn't. So if the new MJOLNIR Mark VII armour was light weight as a standard feature, I don't see why they need to point it out more than once. Saying it over and over implies that there is some variant that is heavier, which that we know of doesn't exist. My question is why do they keep pointing out that's it light weight. If all Mark VIIs suits were like that then they could have told us straight up, like when they told us that SPI had no shields. They told us SPI was shield less once, why couldn't they say that MJOLNIR Mark VII was light weight once if it was a standard feature?[/quote] Yes, but how many times is the lightweight aspect really mentioned? I think it may been mentioned once in Glasslands but only as a feature.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DecepticonCobra [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Spartan1995324 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DecepticonCobra [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Spartan1995324 If Spartans IVs are "just as good" as Spartan IIs and IIIs then why is their armour constantly referred to as "lightweight" MJOLNIR? If the new generation of MJOLNIR armour was lightweight to begone with, they'd only have to state "Mark VII armour is more lightweight than Mark VI". Yet they constantly say "lightweight" as if to say they have to wear a special ligjter variant because they can't handle the weight of normal MJOLNIR?[/quote] Or the material is better and just lighter.[/quote]If that is the case with all MJOLNIR Mark VII suits then why the need to constantly refer to it as lightweight MJOLNIR. They could just call it MJOLNIR and everyone would know that Mark VII is lighter than Mark VI. Why the emphasis on "light weight"?[/quote] I have a feeling you are exaggerating how many times they emphasize the lightweight aspect of it. It is GEN2 armor the Spartan-IVs are wearing. Really, I don't know. But looking at it, the armor doesn't look like it's any worse. [/quote]I agree the armour looks good in fact (without those crazy preorder skins). Also where did you get the whole GEN 2 idea? MJOLNIR armour progresses like this: Mark I, II, III, and so on. Chief's armour is Mark VI, as I'm sure you know. However here's an example of NOT emphasizing something that is standard in an armour set. When SPI was introduced we were told that it had no shields. Notice how they always referred to it as SPI armour and never "shield less SPI"? Constantly calling the Spartan 3's armour "shield less SPI" would have implied that there was some sort of variant of SPI with shields, which that we know of there isn't. So if the new MJOLNIR Mark VII armour was light weight as a standard feature, I don't see why they need to point it out more than once. Saying it over and over implies that there is some variant that is heavier, which that we know of doesn't exist. My question is why do they keep pointing out that's it light weight. If all Mark VIIs suits were like that then they could have told us straight up, like when they told us that SPI had no shields. They told us SPI was shield less once, why couldn't they say that MJOLNIR Mark VII was light weight once if it was a standard feature?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Spartan1995324 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DecepticonCobra [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Spartan1995324 If Spartans IVs are "just as good" as Spartan IIs and IIIs then why is their armour constantly referred to as "lightweight" MJOLNIR? If the new generation of MJOLNIR armour was lightweight to begone with, they'd only have to state "Mark VII armour is more lightweight than Mark VI". Yet they constantly say "lightweight" as if to say they have to wear a special ligjter variant because they can't handle the weight of normal MJOLNIR?[/quote] Or the material is better and just lighter.[/quote]If that is the case with all MJOLNIR Mark VII suits then why the need to constantly refer to it as lightweight MJOLNIR. They could just call it MJOLNIR and everyone would know that Mark VII is lighter than Mark VI. Why the emphasis on "light weight"?[/quote] I have a feeling you are exaggerating how many times they emphasize the lightweight aspect of it. It is GEN2 armor the Spartan-IVs are wearing. Really, I don't know. But looking at it, the armor doesn't look like it's any worse.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DecepticonCobra [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Spartan1995324 If Spartans IVs are "just as good" as Spartan IIs and IIIs then why is their armour constantly referred to as "lightweight" MJOLNIR? If the new generation of MJOLNIR armour was lightweight to begone with, they'd only have to state "Mark VII armour is more lightweight than Mark VI". Yet they constantly say "lightweight" as if to say they have to wear a special ligjter variant because they can't handle the weight of normal MJOLNIR?[/quote] Or the material is better and just lighter.[/quote]If that is the case with all MJOLNIR Mark VII suits then why the need to constantly refer to it as lightweight MJOLNIR. They could just call it MJOLNIR and everyone would know that Mark VII is lighter than Mark VI. Why the emphasis on "light weight"?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Nocbl2 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Plasma Prestige Invoking your biases of the Spartan-III program in your description is incredibly misleading. Spartan-IIIs received the same augmentations as the IIs, although via drugs rather than surgical procedures. The only augmentation the IIIs did not receive which the IIs did was the thyroid implant, which made the Spartan-IIs significantly taller and bulkier than the IIs and IIIs. Regardless, the only reason the IIIs were not given MJOLNIR is because of the enormous expense of the exoskeletons, not because of physical inability to wield it. [/quote]Um.. I'm pretty sure both SII and III received drugs...[/quote] No spartan 3s did not have a thyroid implant. However look at noble team there more or less the same size as normal spartan 2s. People only think there small because they compare noble team to jorge, who is giant even by spartan 2 terms...
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Plasma Prestige Invoking your biases of the Spartan-III program in your description is incredibly misleading. Spartan-IIIs received the same augmentations as the IIs, although via drugs rather than surgical procedures. The only augmentation the IIIs did not receive which the IIs did was the thyroid implant, which made the Spartan-IIs significantly taller and bulkier than the IIs and IIIs. Regardless, the only reason the IIIs were not given MJOLNIR is because of the enormous expense of the exoskeletons, not because of physical inability to wield it. [/quote]Um.. I'm pretty sure both SII and III received drugs...
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] tjal SIII's also had this drug that made them mentally instable, but highly resistant to pain (?). Not sure what the drug did in specifics.[/quote] Only Gamma company.
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Invoking your biases of the Spartan-III program in your description is incredibly misleading. Spartan-IIIs received the same augmentations as the IIs, although via drugs rather than surgical procedures. The only augmentation the IIIs did not receive which the IIs did was the thyroid implant, which made the Spartan-IIs significantly taller and bulkier than the IIs and IIIs. Regardless, the only reason the IIIs were not given MJOLNIR is because of the enormous expense of the exoskeletons, not because of physical inability to wield it.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Spartan1995324 If Spartans IVs are "just as good" as Spartan IIs and IIIs then why is their armour constantly referred to as "lightweight" MJOLNIR? If the new generation of MJOLNIR armour was lightweight to begone with, they'd only have to state "Mark VII armour is more lightweight than Mark VI". Yet they constantly say "lightweight" as if to say they have to wear a special ligjter variant because they can't handle the weight of normal MJOLNIR?[/quote] Or the material is better and just lighter.
