Sounds interesting, can't wait.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Ktan Dantaktee They're the reason Bungie employees aren't online.[/quote]Wut?

interesting

Wait, 2013? I knew it would be a while but NEXT WINTER?!?! Also, this makes me hate Activision even more. They're the reason Bungie employees aren't online.

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GabeN must think its reasonable... [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Old Papa Rich [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Peter99Dineen [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] About 9 Grunts I think the forced release dates are troubling. [/quote][/quote]There's a lot of money on the table. Do you think it reaonable to [i]not[/i] have deadlines?[/quote]

See you 2013!!!

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] antony X1000 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] THE SALTY CHIP Every other year? I don't think true quality games can be made that quickly. But we'll see... [/quote]That is only 1 less than the Halo games were made in, plus this first game seems to have been in development for a while now.[/quote] Well actually 2001-2004 was 3 years give or take a few months to just reproduce the game and not actually make it and the main Halo trilogy was released every 3 years. But now technology has advanced and so has Bungie, by the gods they had better not to turn into money whores like Activision themselves. But I have faith in them, 1 year to produce a high quality game is difficult but these guys have been doing it for awhile and they're damn good at their jobs!

not likely they would have suggested the defense to check out the contract for a ball park restitution. at least you're thinking outside the box though :)

At least we know that there's still in fact a project in the works for Bungie... or maybe this was done on purpose; as it would bring attention towards Bungie's project as this lawsuit is somewhat in the public eye. So this how Activision is going to start marketing... through coverage of legal matters. Way to stay classy. *[i]All speculation BTW... but yes, Acti would do such a thing.* [/i]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] otterboyz [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] About 9 Grunts I think the forced release dates are troubling. [/quote] Bungie have said themselves that they would never finish a game unless it had a due date. [/quote] And moreover they're working on this since 2007, so it's one of their longest project in development...

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] About 9 Grunts I think the forced release dates are troubling. [/quote] Or it just means their schedule is [i]tight[/i]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Hylebos D:[/quote] You once flamed me for saying it would most likely be a Massively multiplayer game. Feels good man. I'm so happy right now, I just wanna give you a hug. This is an awesome thread. [Edited on 05.29.2012 10:58 PM PDT]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] About 9 Grunts I think the forced release dates are troubling. [/quote] Bungie have said themselves that they would never finish a game unless it had a due date.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] About 9 Grunts I think the forced release dates are troubling. [/quote]

I think the forced release dates are troubling.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] pfhor007 This will be an IMPORTANT read for everyone who is criticizing or have doubts about the contract, Bungie, and/or Destiny. For all the people who have little to no faith in project, PLEASE read on. Jason Jones is leading this project like he was project lead for Marathon 1, Marathon 2, Myth 1, and Halo 1. All those games have been AAA caliber. People are saying Destiny will be a typical Activision game which they are going to milk the series, making a game every year for 7 years (2013-2020)! Facts: Destiny begun development back in 2007 around when Halo 3 was released. By the time the game comes out next year, it will be six years in development, well more than most games take (3-4 years). Bungie in the last year it seems has increased their staff tremendously and have more than 200 employees working on the game, well larger than most studios. Marathon might or might not be a project they are working on currently, but if they are, it would be my guess around 5-10 people would be working on it. This is very minute number. Given Bungie's style and past, the expansions (Comets 1-4) will be worked on by a smaller team after each Destiny gets released, so majority of the 200+ employees will be focused on the next Destiny game, not Comet. This is Bungie forte, they normally have 80-90% of their staff focused on their big project while a small group work on side projects (such as Halo ODST and all the Halo DLC). Technically each game will not be one year in development, and since this game is a MMO, there probably be many game assets they have developed from 2007-2013 that won't make the cut for Destiny #1, but perhaps future iterations. In conclusion, think of it like this, 4 Destiny games will be developed in 13 years. No problems there. :) The next thing is people are saying Bungie are in a very insecure situation because if they do not sell 5 million units in the first 6 months, they will lose their contract. This is simply not true. First of all, they OWN the IP. Even if Activision cuts ties with Bungie, Bungie can still develop any game including Destiny. The main point that needs to brought up though is, say Destiny sells 2-4 million in those six months (which is not an unrealistic figure), it is very doubtful Activision will cut ties. The fanbase of Bungie is LARGE (as we all know :)). Bungie are not unknown...they weren't unknown before Halo was created as they made strategy games of the year. Bungie will be around for a long time as they have been developing games for 21 years! Each Destiny game should realistically sell more than the past game, provided it is not a flop. No Bungie game has ever been a flop. Activision trusts Bungie, which is why they teamed up. They just had to put stipulations (even if they are unrealistic) to terminate just in case they for whatever reason have to cut ties (even if it has nothing to do with Bungie). If I were a betting man, if for whatever reason Destiny #1 doesn't meet the 5 million mark (which it should), Activision will still be publishing future Destiny games. People and news site believe Destiny #1 is either a Xbox 360 exclusive or a time based release. This could very well not be true. Bungie mentions in contract they will evaluate if it is feasible to develop a Playstation 3 version. They gave a date by when they have to make that decision. Good news people, they have been hiring Playstation engineers AFTER they had to make the decision, so it is VERY likely they are working on a Playstation version. At the time contract was made, they were finishing up their fifth Xbox game. They have never made a Playstation game and had a small number if any Playstations engineers on their team. This is why contract is written like that, just to be safe if they don't feel like they could do it. The fact is they are still hiring Playstation engineers is a good sign for Sony fans. And who knows, they can release the game for both systems simultaneously. Sure it says 2014 for Playstation version, but it also mentions there are no requirements to meet a 2013 date. I take it as there is a chance it will be simultaneously released for both Xbox 360 and Playstation 3 next year. We just have to wait and see. Believe in Bungie, they will deliver the goods. [/quote] I agree with many of your points. And it is [i]definitely[/i] comforting to know Jason Jones is back as project lead. I feel that many gamers just think in terms of studios and developer teams and forget that it's the people that make a studio great--project lead generally being most important of them all. However, I'm still a bit nervous about some of the elements of the contract as it relates to Bungie, their games, and the industry abroad. I'm not sure how I feel about a two year cycle with [i]planned[/i] downloadable content. Of course, I have no idea what the ultimate nature of Bungie's project is, nor do I know Bungie's goals for the future, but two years seems just a little short too me.

So we need a 90+ review score to get a brilliant game But we need it to sell less than 5 million in six months to free Bungie from Activision's grasp

This will be an IMPORTANT read for everyone who is criticizing or have doubts about the contract, Bungie, and/or Destiny. For all the people who have little to no faith in project, PLEASE read on. Jason Jones is leading this project like he was project lead for Marathon 1, Marathon 2, Myth 1, and Halo 1. All those games have been AAA caliber. People are saying Destiny will be a typical Activision game which they are going to milk the series, making a game every year for 7 years (2013-2020)! Facts: Destiny begun development back in 2007 around when Halo 3 was released. By the time the game comes out next year, it will be six years in development, well more than most games take (3-4 years). Bungie in the last year it seems has increased their staff tremendously and have more than 200 employees working on the game, well larger than most studios. Marathon might or might not be a project they are working on currently, but if they are, it would be my guess around 5-10 people would be working on it. This is very minute number. Given Bungie's style and past, the expansions (Comets 1-4) will be worked on by a smaller team after each Destiny gets released, so majority of the 200+ employees will be focused on the next Destiny game, not Comet. This is Bungie forte, they normally have 80-90% of their staff focused on their big project while a small group work on side projects (such as Halo ODST and all the Halo DLC). Technically each game will not be one year in development, and since this game is a MMO, there probably be many game assets they have developed from 2007-2013 that won't make the cut for Destiny #1, but perhaps future iterations. In conclusion, think of it like this, 4 Destiny games will be developed in 13 years. No problems there. :) The next thing is people are saying Bungie are in a very insecure situation because if they do not sell 5 million units in the first 6 months, they will lose their contract. This is simply not true. First of all, they OWN the IP. Even if Activision cuts ties with Bungie, Bungie can still develop any game including Destiny. The main point that needs to brought up though is, say Destiny sells 2-4 million in those six months (which is not an unrealistic figure), it is very doubtful Activision will cut ties. The fanbase of Bungie is LARGE (as we all know :)). Bungie are not unknown...they weren't unknown before Halo was created as they made strategy games of the year. Bungie will be around for a long time as they have been developing games for 21 years! Each Destiny game should realistically sell more than the past game, provided it is not a flop. No Bungie game has ever been a flop. Activision trusts Bungie, which is why they teamed up. They just had to put stipulations (even if they are unrealistic) to terminate just in case they for whatever reason have to cut ties (even if it has nothing to do with Bungie). If I were a betting man, if for whatever reason Destiny #1 doesn't meet the 5 million mark (which it should), Activision will still be publishing future Destiny games. People and news site believe Destiny #1 is either a Xbox 360 exclusive or a time based release. This could very well not be true. Bungie mentions in contract they will evaluate if it is feasible to develop a Playstation 3 version. They gave a date by when they have to make that decision. Good news people, they have been hiring Playstation engineers AFTER they had to make the decision, so it is VERY likely they are working on a Playstation version. At the time contract was made, they were finishing up their fifth Xbox game. They have never made a Playstation game and had a small number if any Playstations engineers on their team. This is why contract is written like that, just to be safe if they don't feel like they could do it. The fact is they are still hiring Playstation engineers is a good sign for Sony fans. And who knows, they can release the game for both systems simultaneously. Sure it says 2014 for Playstation version, but it also mentions there are no requirements to meet a 2013 date. I take it as there is a chance it will be simultaneously released for both Xbox 360 and Playstation 3 next year. We just have to wait and see. Believe in Bungie, they will deliver the goods. [Edited on 05.27.2012 8:27 AM PDT]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] CrazzySnipe55 For anyone who hasn't read the mailsack: [quote]Old Papa Rich[/quote] Q: Have you guys finished your new game presentation for E3? [quote]DeeJ[/quote] A: Nope. We never started one, and we're not going to be at E3 in any official capacity this year. Some of us will be there, lurking from booth to booth, but don't expect any announcements.[/quote]That's exactly what someone would say if you wanted to surprise them. >_>

For anyone who hasn't read the mailsack: [quote]Old Papa Rich[/quote] Q: Have you guys finished your new game presentation for E3? [quote]DeeJ[/quote] A: Nope. We never started one, and we're not going to be at E3 in any official capacity this year. Some of us will be there, lurking from booth to booth, but don't expect any announcements.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] talon2000 Someone just pointed out on [url=http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=475563]the GAF[/url]. Bungie banning Valve, Epic and Gearbox from developing any Destiny or Comet conversions or adaptations.[/quote]Weird, but, okay? Hopefully it doesn't get to that point though. Where third party developers get to make their own Destiny games, that would be so crap.

Someone just pointed out on [url=http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=475563]the GAF[/url]. Bungie banning Valve, Epic and Gearbox from developing any Destiny or Comet conversions or adaptations. [i]Grab out of the contract.[/i][i][quote]and Licensor hereby expressly disapproves of Valve, Epic and Gearbox as potential third party developers for Conversions (unless such third party developer should become an Activision majority or wholly-owned studio), and Licensor cannot disapprove of the use by Activision of an Activision majority or wholly-owned studio)[/quote][/i] Also [url=http://www.develop-online.net/features/1644/Revealed-The-huge-promises-and-secret-stipulations-behind-the-Bungie-Activision-deal]here's an article[/url] (the one he refers to in the thread) with some small things that we may have missed. I found it interesting. [Edited on 05.25.2012 4:51 PM PDT]