[i]Disclaimer: Please have healthy, non-flaming discussion here. I can't see a whole lot of room for flaming in this thread luckily, but still.[/i]
Is Skyrim designed to be a similar land to Scotland? Let's look at some of the simple similarities we can draw first.
[b][u]Geographical-Topographical Similarities[/b][/u]
- Most basic of all: Skyrim is a northern province above Cyrodiil whilst Scotland is a northern country above England (which could be likened to Cyroodiil).
- Both the land of Skyrim and the country of Scotland are rugged, northern landscapes by standard, with towns/cities dotting across a large area of hills/mountains. See here: [url=http://mwvg.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Skyrim_Tundra.jpg]Skyrim[/url], and [url=http://www.autocarhire.com/travelblog/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Scotland-featured.jpg]Scotland[/url]. Not identical I understand, but still rather similar.
- Just a little treat that I thought matched....here's [url=http://www.theglamily.com/_imgs/nevisRoad.jpg]Ben Nevis in Scotland[/url] and here's [url=http://www.arxfiles.com/skyrim/guide/mq105-002.jpg]Throat of the World[/url] in Skyrim. Whilst the TOTW is larger than Ben Nevis, both are the highest peak in not only their areas but also larger areas (Ben Nevis is the largest in the UK, Throat of the World is the largest in Tamriel).
More importantly, onto the political side of things.
[b][u]Political Similarity[/b][/u]
In Skyrim, there is a division in beliefs about the future of the land. Some of the population support splitting from the Empire and thus Cyrodiil; these are Stormcloaks. Others want to stay in the union between Skyrim and Cyrodiil; these people support the Empire.
In Scotland, there is a similar division happening right now, albeit not violently. Some of the Scottish population support seceding from the United Kingdom and England (who again, could very much be likened to Cyrodiil), and support the Scottish National Party, and could be termed as Secetionists. Another part of the Scottish population are in support of remaining in the Union with England, Wales and Northern Ireland; these people are unionists.
[b][u]Social-Historic Similarity[/b][/u]
My final comparison is that of the look of the Nords from Skyrim to the historic look of the Scots. It's a simple picture comparison; [url=http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-7hm5PhK2tVo/TuLY1o8N-XI/AAAAAAAACF4/qd8yY_Ow0u4/s400/skyrim-mjoll-the-lionness.jpg]One of the Nord NPCs in Skyrim[/url], and [url=http://images.mylot.com/userImages/images/postphotos/2478113.jpg]I'm sure you're all familiar with this depiction of a middle-ages Scot[/url].
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Thanks for reading if you got this far. Please feel free to pitch in; agree with the analogy? Got a better one?
EDIT: As it has been pointed out in this thread many times, I'm sure we're all aware of the strong similarities to Scandinavian history. This is merely one angle of comparison.
[Edited on 02.15.2012 10:24 AM PST]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] CoolCJ24 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Halo Spartan 27 I believe it's more Scandinavia because: [u]Nords = Vikings[/u] A lot of the Nord traditions are based on Viking culture, for example the design of the boats (which was a mayor part of the viking life-style), Draugrs are directly taken from Scandinavian mythology, their honor-in-battle traditions (the best thing a Viking could do was to die at war). The horned helmets (which has become the signature for the Dovahkiin) is possibly based on the myth of the legendary horned Viking helmets. Almost all nords have names like "Sven", "Sigrid", "Nils" and "Hakon", these are all very, VERY traditional Scandinavian names. The best example is Sovengard though, because it's the Skyrim version of Asgard (and Sovengarde fits the description for Asgarde exactly...besides that they killed eachother all day in Asgarde) the part "gard" would be in Swedish (which like most scandinavian languages comes from Old Norse, the viking language) "gård", which means "farm", "yard" or "courtyard". [u]The Geography[/u] The people of Skyrim are referred to as "Nords" because they live in the northern part of Tamriel. Scandinavia has also been referred to as "the North" for hundreds of years. Even though Skyrim's nature is probably most based on Canada, Scandinavia and Canada are on the same latitude and therefor have similar climate. I have thought about what hold would be what Scandinavian country, and this is my conclusion: *Solitude, Markarth, Dawnstar and Winterhold = Norway I say this because these are the regions with most mountains (Norway = most mountains in Scandinavia),and the Reach (Markarth) has something that somewhat reminds of a small-scale fjord (which Norway is famous for) *Whiterun = Northern Sweden Because Sweden is the only place in Scandinavia and Europe (besides Russia) that actually has a tundra *Eastmarch = Iceland Because Iceland is the only Northern European country with active volcanoes and is similar with it's hot springs *Falkreath = Finland/Middle Sweden Both Finland and Sweden are full of pine-forests and are actually the two countries with most forest in Europe (according to my old teacher) *The Rift = Lower Sweden / Denmark These two regions have many leaf-forests, but sure, The Rift is the only region that I'm not cnfident about where to really place on our world-map *Morthal = Mixed Scandinavian countries Morthal is almost completely located in wetlands, and I have researched this, and it seems that slmost all Scandinavian countries (just as many other countries) have wetlands I would also like to add that my theory about the "Stormcloaks vs Imperials" is that it has been inspired by the battles between the Germanians (Vikings descent from Germanic folk groups) and the Roman Empire (Imperials), which the Germanians fought for their independence. I would also like to add that I'm Swedish and I instantly see the similarities because I have experienced the Scandinavian culture, these arguments was NOT just my beliefs after doing research. *this post may be updated when I discover spelling mistakes and/or when I remember more arguments.[/quote] That's a really good post, deserves it's own thread! Definately a large amount of influence from Scandinavia in Skyrim....like I mentioned earlier, Sovngarde is very clearly the Elder Scrolls version of Valhalla from Norse Mythology.[/quote] Yes, and as I stated in my post: I'm pretty sure that Bethesda used Canada and Alaska as their inspiration of the geography. Also fun fact (that you can also read about in the Wikia): The alcoholic in Whiterun, Brenuin, is named after the Icelandic word for a category of strong alcholic drinks such as Vodka. The word is similar in Swedish (we call it Brännvin)
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Halo Spartan 27 I believe it's more Scandinavia because: [u]Nords = Vikings[/u] A lot of the Nord traditions are based on Viking culture, for example the design of the boats (which was a mayor part of the viking life-style), Draugrs are directly taken from Scandinavian mythology, their honor-in-battle traditions (the best thing a Viking could do was to die at war). The horned helmets (which has become the signature for the Dovahkiin) is possibly based on the myth of the legendary horned Viking helmets. Almost all nords have names like "Sven", "Sigrid", "Nils" and "Hakon", these are all very, VERY traditional Scandinavian names. The best example is Sovengard though, because it's the Skyrim version of Asgard (and Sovengarde fits the description for Asgarde exactly...besides that they killed eachother all day in Asgarde) the part "gard" would be in Swedish (which like most scandinavian languages comes from Old Norse, the viking language) "gård", which means "farm", "yard" or "courtyard". [u]The Geography[/u] The people of Skyrim are referred to as "Nords" because they live in the northern part of Tamriel. Scandinavia has also been referred to as "the North" for hundreds of years. Even though Skyrim's nature is probably most based on Canada, Scandinavia and Canada are on the same latitude and therefor have similar climate. I have thought about what hold would be what Scandinavian country, and this is my conclusion: *Solitude, Markarth, Dawnstar and Winterhold = Norway I say this because these are the regions with most mountains (Norway = most mountains in Scandinavia),and the Reach (Markarth) has something that somewhat reminds of a small-scale fjord (which Norway is famous for) *Whiterun = Northern Sweden Because Sweden is the only place in Scandinavia and Europe (besides Russia) that actually has a tundra *Eastmarch = Iceland Because Iceland is the only Northern European country with active volcanoes and is similar with it's hot springs *Falkreath = Finland/Middle Sweden Both Finland and Sweden are full of pine-forests and are actually the two countries with most forest in Europe (according to my old teacher) *The Rift = Lower Sweden / Denmark These two regions have many leaf-forests, but sure, The Rift is the only region that I'm not cnfident about where to really place on our world-map *Morthal = Mixed Scandinavian countries Morthal is almost completely located in wetlands, and I have researched this, and it seems that slmost all Scandinavian countries (just as many other countries) have wetlands I would also like to add that my theory about the "Stormcloaks vs Imperials" is that it has been inspired by the battles between the Germanians (Vikings descent from Germanic folk groups) and the Roman Empire (Imperials), which the Germanians fought for their independence. I would also like to add that I'm Swedish and I instantly see the similarities because I have experienced the Scandinavian culture, these arguments was NOT just my beliefs after doing research. *this post may be updated when I discover spelling mistakes and/or when I remember more arguments.[/quote] That's a really good post, deserves it's own thread! Definately a large amount of influence from Scandinavia in Skyrim....like I mentioned earlier, Sovngarde is very clearly the Elder Scrolls version of Valhalla from Norse Mythology.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Mai R0f1C0pt3r I think Skyrim = Heroin Hero, because it consumes hours of peoples time while they try to catch dragons.[/quote] Bam! Nailed it! :D
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I believe it's more Scandinavia because: [u]Nords = Vikings[/u] A lot of the Nord traditions are based on Viking culture, for example the design of the boats (which was a mayor part of the viking life-style), Draugrs are directly taken from Scandinavian mythology, their honor-in-battle traditions (the best thing a Viking could do was to die at war). The horned helmets (which has become the signature for the Dovahkiin) is possibly based on the myth of the legendary horned Viking helmets. Almost all nords have names like "Sven", "Sigrid", "Nils" and "Hakon", these are all very, VERY traditional Scandinavian names. The best example is Sovengard though, because it's the Skyrim version of Asgard (and Sovengarde fits the description for Asgarde exactly...besides that they killed eachother all day in Asgarde) the part "gard" would be in Swedish (which like most scandinavian languages comes from Old Norse, the viking language) "gård", which means "farm", "yard" or "courtyard". [u]The Geography[/u] The people of Skyrim are referred to as "Nords" because they live in the northern part of Tamriel. Scandinavia has also been referred to as "the North" for hundreds of years. Even though Skyrim's nature is probably most based on Canada, Scandinavia and Canada are on the same latitude and therefor have similar climate. I have thought about what hold would be what Scandinavian country, and this is my conclusion: *Solitude, Markarth, Dawnstar and Winterhold = Norway I say this because these are the regions with most mountains (Norway = most mountains in Scandinavia),and the Reach (Markarth) has something that somewhat reminds of a small-scale fjord (which Norway is famous for) *Whiterun = Northern Sweden Because Sweden is the only place in Scandinavia and Europe (besides Russia) that actually has a tundra *Eastmarch = Iceland Because Iceland is the only Northern European country with active volcanoes and is similar with it's hot springs *Falkreath = Finland/Middle Sweden Both Finland and Sweden are full of pine-forests and are actually the two countries with most forest in Europe (according to my old teacher) *The Rift = Lower Sweden / Denmark These two regions have many leaf-forests, but sure, The Rift is the only region that I'm not cnfident about where to really place on our world-map *Morthal = Mixed Scandinavian countries Morthal is almost completely located in wetlands, and I have researched this, and it seems that slmost all Scandinavian countries (just as many other countries) have wetlands I would also like to add that my theory about the "Stormcloaks vs Imperials" is that it has been inspired by the battles between the Germanians (Vikings descent from Germanic folk groups) and the Roman Empire (Imperials), which the Germanians fought for their independence. I would also like to add that I'm Swedish and I instantly see the similarities because I have experienced the Scandinavian culture, these arguments was NOT just my beliefs after doing research. *this post may be updated when I discover spelling mistakes and/or when I remember more arguments.
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Nords appear to be the Tamriel version of the real world Nordic people that inhabit Northern Europe. The Nords of Tamriel are voiced with vaguely Scandinavian accents and much of their warrior-centric culture is based on the Old Norse cultures like the Vikings. Hrothgar, for example, is also the name of a legendary Danish king. And Sovngarde is very similar to the Viking Gods' home, Valhalla. Also, a lot of Nords have Scandinavian names (for example Sven, Bjorn, (in Norway/Sweden spelled Bjørn/Björn) Arngeir,Hilde,Hakon(one-eye) (in Norway/Sweden spelled Håkon or Haakon/Håkan) and Frida are quite common Scandinavian names.)
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Agent_2 Listen to some people, sometimes they have Scottish accents. I'd say a cross between Norse and and medieval Scotland.[/quote] I wouldn't really say characters in skyrim have a Scottish accent or anything close to it, maybe more Norwegian, The Scottish accent also tends to changes in each town / city, depending where you go. Which I've always found odd even after living here my entire life.
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I'm fairly sure that they took inspiration from the likes of Norway. I mean, Nords are badass vikings.
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Scotland/Iceland. Either way, it's awesome.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SonicJohn I think it's safe to say that the artists took all the inspiration for mountains and environments that they could from a variety of sources, and my home country being one of them is quite likely. I wouldn't say Skyrim WAS Scotland though...I'm going to have to look out for dragons now.[/quote] Watch the skies, kinsman. And Kashmir, give it up, I've explained the Ben Nevis/Throat of the World comparison twice. It's not the basis of my idea, but it is a legitimate analogy in support. Give up nit-picking.
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after reading the title: he might be on to something here... after reading the thread: GENIUS
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] CoolCJ24 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Kashmir A17 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] CoolCJ24 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Qbix89 You forgot about Norway.[/quote] It seems to be more the Nord people that have Scandanavian similarities than the actual land, what with the accents and all. Scotland is not th only country that can be compared to Skyrim, but it seems to me that most similarities point to inspiration from Scotland.[/quote] But your comparisons are soooo bad. "Both have a mountain that is taller than the other mountains." [url=http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/210/119/+_2acc5a8841f8752904d37f90a8014829.png?1322693145]...Really?!?[/url][/quote] If you really must insist on posting reaction faces used in typical 9GAG comics, please don't do it in this thread. I'm also not impressed that you basically tried to dumb down my words rather than engage in any real counter arguments. I did not say in my OP, "They have mountains bigger than other mountains". I clearly posted that in both respective areas, they have the largest mountain in their larger respective areas. As I said: Throat of the World is the largest in all of Tamriel, a testament to the rugged landscape of Skyrim itself, as is Ben Nevis (and the Highlands) the largest in the UK. I must say again that I'd advise you to read my post more clearly and please don't attempt to twist my words just for the sake of it. It's just immature. I'd be more keen to hear arguments supporting Norweigan similarities and etc.[/quote] I didn't twist your words I got down to the meat of it. I could say the same about any mountain in any area, just depends on what my frame of reference is. Your comparison is weak, and you know it.
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Skyrim doesn't have lake monsters. Got you their, Sonny Jim.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] BMS Doc i think skyrim is supposed to be based off norway.[/quote]Adding on to that, the whole "Breaking away from the empire" thing is pretty similar to Norway's sentiments while under the dominion of Denmark and then Sweden.
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I think Skyrim = Heroin Hero, because it consumes hours of peoples time while they try to catch dragons.
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I think it's safe to say that the artists took all the inspiration for mountains and environments that they could from a variety of sources, and my home country being one of them is quite likely. I wouldn't say Skyrim WAS Scotland though...I'm going to have to look out for dragons now.
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i think skyrim is supposed to be based off norway.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Opinion [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] CoolCJ24 Tamriel is a continent. Not a world. Tamriel lies on the world of Nirn.[/quote] My mistake. Still it's not Scotland. Just because they both have a big mountain in doesn't mean jack -blam!- Your political reason (the referendum on the split from England) woudn't have been about when the game was being developed (as it was only post-release this made the news). The picture of Mel Gibson in Braveheart is nonsense too as the Nords are obviously based on the Norse. So the only real evidence you have is a small mountain that just happens to be the biggest in the UK.[/quote] The decision of whether Scotland should split from the UK has been an ongoing political battle for more than 50 years. Lrn2history. It's only gotten a little more publicity due to a recent new effort from the SNP. Why do you think Mel Gibson was givin that face paint? Because that was typical of Scots who were rebelling against England in the 13th century, not because they fancied painting Mr. Gibson blue for fun. Obviously there are Norse aspects to Skyrim; Sovngarde is pretty much Valhalla; but I've made a fair comparison and to be honest, you're picking at fairly poor points to argue from. The mountain thing? I've explained that twice and you've skipped over it twice. Not going to try a lost cause for a third time.
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It doesn't seem severely obscure of a relation you know. So therefore it has a good merit.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] CoolCJ24 Tamriel is a continent. Not a world. Tamriel lies on the world of Nirn.[/quote] My mistake. Still it's not Scotland. Just because they both have a big mountain in doesn't mean jack -blam!- Your political reason (the referendum on the split from England) woudn't have been about when the game was being developed (as it was only post-release this made the news). The picture of Mel Gibson in Braveheart is nonsense too as the Nords are obviously based on the Norse. So the only real evidence you have is a small mountain that just happens to be the biggest in the UK. [Edited on 02.15.2012 8:58 AM PST]
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Umm.... I heard it's more like Nordic countries, especially Norway and Iceland. It certainly takes a lot of Nordic influence, such as place names, terrain, the inhabitants (Nords, the people who live in the Nordic countries) and such. Further up north, in the Highlands, it could look somewhat like Skyrim. Not in Central (which is flat) and South (which has a rolling landscape of small hills) Scotland. I should know... Norway, Sweden, Finland, Denmark (and Greenland) and Iceland are all Nordic countries. Scotland is a Celtic country, as are Wales and Ireland. [Edited on 02.15.2012 9:05 AM PST]
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Skyrim seemed to me to have a lot to do with Norse mythology. Wouldn't that put it a little farther East and North. Norway maybe?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Opinion [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] CoolCJ24 I clearly posted that in both respective areas, they have the largest mountain in their larger respective areas. As I said: Throat of the World is the largest in all of Tamriel, a testament to the rugged landscape of Skyrim itself, as is Ben Nevis (and the Highlands) the largest in the UK.[/quote] But that's the worst logic ever. It's fitting the evidence around the conclusion rather than drawing a conclusion from the evidence. Tamriel is the whole world in TES games so Throat of the World would equate more to Everest rather than Ben Nevis (which isn't even in the top 100 highest mountains and is relatively small).[/quote] Tamriel is a continent. Not a world. Tamriel lies on the world of Nirn. [Edited on 02.15.2012 8:54 AM PST]
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Skyrim was meant to be based on the entire of the UK actually. :P
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] CoolCJ24 I clearly posted that in both respective areas, they have the largest mountain in their larger respective areas. As I said: Throat of the World is the largest in all of Tamriel, a testament to the rugged landscape of Skyrim itself, as is Ben Nevis (and the Highlands) the largest in the UK.[/quote] But that's the worst logic ever. It's fitting the evidence around the conclusion rather than drawing a conclusion from the evidence. Tamriel is the whole world in TES games so Throat of the World would equate more to Everest rather than Ben Nevis (which isn't even in the top 100 highest mountains and is relatively small).
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Kashmir A17 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] CoolCJ24 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Qbix89 You forgot about Norway.[/quote] It seems to be more the Nord people that have Scandanavian similarities than the actual land, what with the accents and all. Scotland is not th only country that can be compared to Skyrim, but it seems to me that most similarities point to inspiration from Scotland.[/quote] But your comparisons are soooo bad. "Both have a mountain that is taller than the other mountains." [url=http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/210/119/+_2acc5a8841f8752904d37f90a8014829.png?1322693145]...Really?!?[/url][/quote] If you really must insist on posting reaction faces used in typical 9GAG comics, please don't do it in this thread. I'm also not impressed that you basically tried to dumb down my words rather than engage in any real counter arguments. I did not say in my OP, "They have mountains bigger than other mountains". I clearly posted that in both respective areas, they have the largest mountain in their larger respective areas. As I said: Throat of the World is the largest in all of Tamriel, a testament to the rugged landscape of Skyrim itself, as is Ben Nevis (and the Highlands) the largest in the UK. I must say again that I'd advise you to read my post more clearly and please don't attempt to twist my words just for the sake of it. It's just immature. I'd be more keen to hear arguments supporting Norweigan similarities and etc.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] CoolCJ24 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Qbix89 You forgot about Norway.[/quote] It seems to be more the Nord people that have Scandanavian similarities than the actual land, what with the accents and all. Scotland is not th only country that can be compared to Skyrim, but it seems to me that most similarities point to inspiration from Scotland.[/quote] But your comparisons are soooo bad. "Both have a mountain that is taller than the other mountains." [url=http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/210/119/+_2acc5a8841f8752904d37f90a8014829.png?1322693145]...Really?!?[/url]