wow xD

Reach sucks so bad is every way.

Yeah, Like....All things considered I WOULD forgive the total skull transformation.... Had the brutes bore some resemblance to their Halo 2 counterparts Dark skin...Bandoleers...Hair... And let's not forget Beards and/or goatees...and brutehawks. [quote] [b] But Cuban! You handsome devil, Brutes DO have goatees! [url=http://www.halopedian.com/images/thumb/6/6a/Reach_6610802_Full.jpg/640px-Reach_6610802_Full.jpg]See![/url] [/b] [/quote] No disrespect to Sage Merrill's Meme Status beard... But when you pop the headdress off a brute, and you see [url=http://www.halopedian.com/images/6/6a/Reach_6610802_Full.jpg]this[/url] ....the goatee just seems out of place on it, in contrast to the TOTAL no-hair [Edited on 03.11.2011 11:59 PM PST]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Cubanpete24 Let's talk about how it COULD'VE been improved....[/quote] Make them look like Halo 2 Brutes, for Starters.

Alright......So We've ripped Reach brutes to threads....We can say that their design sucked....and their AI sucked.... Let's talk about how it COULD'VE been improved....

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Plasma3150 They were practically naked in Halo 2...[/quote] They were...good thing they had fur in all the right places in Halo 2... but...they still looked better...STRICTLY speaking from a design point of view...

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Naked Crook [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Plasma3150 Or that they were going for something that retained some simian characteristics, while being more alien-like. I'm not saying that I approve of this take, but I no longer think of them as just miniturized King Kongs.[/quote] The design of the Brute remained largely the same (with exception to more teeth from Halo 2 to 3/ODST)[/quote][/quote]They were hairy in number two, yet they are more shaved in Halo 3. [quote]Why did they have to put most of them in skin-tight speedos? Like...even their choice of clothing was absurd! [/quote]They were practically naked in Halo 2... [Edited on 03.09.2011 8:26 PM PST]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Plasma3150 Or that they were going for something that retained some simian characteristics, while being more alien-like. I'm not saying that I approve of this take, but I no longer think of them as just miniturized King Kongs.[/quote] The design of the Brute remained largely the same (with exception to more teeth from Halo 2 to 3/ODST) Their design lasted 3 games...but all of a sudden...when the WORST game in the franchise comes along (Halo Reach)...their design changes... Why did they have to put most of them in skin-tight speedos? Like...even their choice of clothing was absurd! [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Plasma3150 Or that they were going for something that retained some simian characteristics, while being more alien-like. [/quote] Yeah...I am sure that is it...

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Naked Crook [/quote]Or that they were going for something that retained some simian characteristics, while being more alien-like. I'm not saying that I approve of this take, but I no longer think of them as just miniturized King Kongs. [Edited on 03.09.2011 8:12 PM PST]

Sorry to say it bud...But Bungie did screw things up. I am certainly glad it wont be 11 years. But to say Reach Brutes are not that different, you really need to take a close look, and you really need to compare. These are two vastly different designs and Bungie DID ruin the design of the Brute. You say the head shape is only slightly different? [url=http://lh3.ggpht.com/_KYgs-WWJOe4/RxU2wKMxsQI/AAAAAAAABK0/NzvTNxpyfHk/0037c.jpg]Halo 3 Brute[/url] [url=http://www.halopedian.com/images/thumb/4/44/Reach_7547631_Full.jpg/640px-Reach_7547631_Full.jpg]Halo Reach Brute[/url] The Reach brute has a VASTLY different head! Why can't people see this? I am going to try to find a better pic, with an exposed head on the Reach Brute. The skin in Halo 3/ODST looked fine to me... [url= http://www.totalvideogames.com/img/uploaded/www.totalvideogames.com_70323_Marine_Comparisons.jpg]Halo marines[/url] The skin DID NOT change between Reach and Halo3/ODST. This is no excuse! Stop excusing the terrible job Bungie did! The changed the eyes, mouth, skull, muscular structure of the arms and legs...they changed too much! Bungie destroyed Brutes...and I am glad they will never touch Halo again. They just got lazy and tossed them in. Every game was rushed...every game...they always rush their work...this studio leaves much to be desired. Thank God for 343. Let this be known for all time!

Grunts are funnier.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Naked Crook @OrderedComa When I ay the skull is different, I mean it's totally a different shape. Now, granted, the conheads argument is, more or less, a small part of malformed skulls. But look at the eye sockets, head shape, width, height...and you will see it is vastly different. Also with the feet. Look at the toes on the follow two pictures: [url=http://images.wikia.com/halo/images/7/7e/BruteMinor.png]Halo 3 Brute[/url] [url=http://vakken.fiorettileerling.nl/fio/informatica/216920/brute.jpg]Halo Reach Brute[/url] There is a subtle different in the feet. spacing between the toes, how far up it goes, the nails themselves, color of the nails... The legs are missing the muscular bulges on the calf section of the Reach Brute. I may have misused the word "straight" in context of the legs. I should have said they are not bulging enough on the Reach Brutes The Reach Brute has way smoother, almost human-like skin. You can tell, just by the formation of the goatee, that the Halo 3 Brute's chin is wider and rounder. The teeth are a no-contest. Teeth are universally identical across a species, in terms of shape, not size. Smaller dogs have smaller teeth, just so all the teeth can fit, but even the smallest dog has the same amount of chompers, canines, and grinders as a big dog. and they retain a universal shape and order. A Reach brutes shoulders slouch. A Halo 3 Brutes shoulders bulge. Halo 3 Brutes have broader shoulders. [url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/41931500@N00/1444684650#/photos/darkness/1444684650/lightbox/]War Chieftain[/url] [url=http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20101013154847/halo/images/thumb/7/74/Reach_5679887_Full.jpg/830px-Reach_5679887_Full.jpg]Halo Reach Brute[/url] Take a good look at the facial structure. There was a good picture I saw once...a Brute roaring right in the Masterchief's face. I will try to find it...but you could clearly see how wide Brutes could open their mouths...I will try and find a pic... But look at the mouths [url=http://www.halopedian.com/images/thumb/a/a3/2_Chieftains.jpg/640px-2_Chieftains.jpg]Real Brute[/url] [url=http://www.halopedian.com/images/thumb/6/6a/Reach_6610802_Full.jpg/640px-Reach_6610802_Full.jpg]Some...thing...[/url] But I don't wanna get off topic with the Elites again, but there were much FEWER changes to the Elites than there were Brutes. What would people say if Elites no longer had mandibles? They would say: "Bungie screwed up"[/quote] Well, I had a whole long reply, but it wouldn't post -.- and I don't feel like typing it up again *sigh* I'll just sum up what I said: I agree and disagree with you. I do not think Brutes changed all that much. All the skin looked much rougher in Halo 2/3, even the Humans looked like they had sandpaper for skin. The only things I agree that was changed drastically is the skull shape, but even that is not all that different from their previous incarnations. [quote]They most key features of Brutes were literally destroyed by Bungie. Good one Bungie...good thing you will never work on another Halo game again. Even Ensemble Studios got Brutes right on their first try. This was the fourth game with Brutes and you screwed it up! Stop changing things! Wait...they are gonna stop...they no longer have their hands on Halo. Whew.[/quote] *sigh* comments like this really disappoint me -.- This community is so ungrateful, we've had ten awesome years with Bungie, and how do they show their thanks? With comments like "Hurr, Bungie r teh suckz, they -blam!- up evrytings and -blam!- all over teh cannunz, dur, Bungie r suck dick." -.-

Yeah...like Brutes roaring over comm channels and such. I like that idea.

To be honest, I just wish they cut Brutes out of Reach alltogether, all the more when you put into account the time constraints. You know what I think they should've done? That would've both saved time....AND make brutes menacing? Instead of seeing them....You hear them.... Think about it You would have a marine sending out a distress call, and *rat-a-tat-tat* You hear the sound of Spiker Slugs hitting a wall, and the marine groaning in pain, seconds later, you hear a loud roar, and the sound of tendons and bones snapping apart....followed by the marines cries for help and then....silence.... And who knows, maybe the time they could have saved on the brutes could have been used for say.... making a story with less plot holes [Edited on 03.09.2011 5:54 PM PST]

@OrderedComa When I ay the skull is different, I mean it's totally a different shape. Now, granted, the conheads argument is, more or less, a small part of malformed skulls. But look at the eye sockets, head shape, width, height...and you will see it is vastly different. Also with the feet. Look at the toes on the follow two pictures: [url=http://images.wikia.com/halo/images/7/7e/BruteMinor.png]Halo 3 Brute[/url] [url=http://vakken.fiorettileerling.nl/fio/informatica/216920/brute.jpg]Halo Reach Brute[/url] There is a subtle different in the feet. spacing between the toes, how far up it goes, the nails themselves, color of the nails... The legs are missing the muscular bulges on the calf section of the Reach Brute. I may have misused the word "straight" in context of the legs. I should have said they are not bulging enough on the Reach Brutes The Reach Brute has way smoother, almost human-like skin. You can tell, just by the formation of the goatee, that the Halo 3 Brute's chin is wider and rounder. The teeth are a no-contest. Teeth are universally identical across a species, in terms of shape, not size. Smaller dogs have smaller teeth, just so all the teeth can fit, but even the smallest dog has the same amount of chompers, canines, and grinders as a big dog. and they retain a universal shape and order. A Reach brutes shoulders slouch. A Halo 3 Brutes shoulders bulge. Halo 3 Brutes have broader shoulders. [url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/41931500@N00/1444684650#/photos/darkness/1444684650/lightbox/]War Chieftain[/url] [url=http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20101013154847/halo/images/thumb/7/74/Reach_5679887_Full.jpg/830px-Reach_5679887_Full.jpg]Halo Reach Brute[/url] Take a good look at the facial structure. There was a good picture I saw once...a Brute roaring right in the Masterchief's face. I will try to find it...but you could clearly see how wide Brutes could open their mouths...I will try and find a pic... But look at the mouths [url=http://www.halopedian.com/images/thumb/a/a3/2_Chieftains.jpg/640px-2_Chieftains.jpg]Real Brute[/url] [url=http://www.halopedian.com/images/thumb/6/6a/Reach_6610802_Full.jpg/640px-Reach_6610802_Full.jpg]Some...thing...[/url] But I don't wanna get off topic with the Elites again, but there were much FEWER changes to the Elites than there were Brutes. What would people say if Elites no longer had mandibles? They would say: "Bungie screwed up" They most key features of Brutes were literally destroyed by Bungie. Good one Bungie...good thing you will never work on another Halo game again. Even Ensemble Studios got Brutes right on their first try. This was the fourth game with Brutes and you screwed it up! Stop changing things! Wait...they are gonna stop...they no longer have their hands on Halo. Whew. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Mr Wunderbar What you've got to remember is that halo reach is a prequel. That means that back then brutes werent the alpha covenant being, far from it. The elites got all the fancy armour.[/quote] Then why do they have Halo 3 power armor in Halo Wars? [Edited on 03.09.2011 12:12 PM PST]

Perhaps Reach Brutes are metro-blam!-, that's why they are shaven.

What you've got to remember is that halo reach is a prequel. That means that back then brutes werent the alpha covenant being, far from it. The elites got all the fancy armour.

They basically shaved all the hair of the brutes.

[quote][b]Posted By:[/b] Naked Crook I think it may be more about certain traits as opposed to some gene. They should have thought about this more...instead of just call it sword genes. That is too outrageous. But yeah...it must be desirable physical traits that compose sword genes. I think it may be more about certain traits as opposed to some gene. They should have thought about this more...instead of just call it sword genes. That is too outrageous. But yeah...it must be desirable physical traits that compose sword genes.[/quote] It sounds like we agree about the meaning behind "sword genes", I agree, they could have explained better, though I think it is possible, judging from how they seem to rely on the Prophets for scientific matters and they themselves are focused more on warfare, that the Elites have rather a minimal knowledge of genetics, so it's possible they think there is a swordsman gene because their knowledge of genetics is lacking. On Aristocracy: Maybe so, it sounded like being an Aristocrat was more about wielding a sword for them anything else. Yes, back to the Bruties [quote]1. Cone heads on Reach Brutes as opposed to rounder, horizontally longer heads. 2. Human looking lips. Reach Brutes have pale eyes, while Brutes have red eyes. 4. Reach Brutes are too smooth. Brutes have rough skin 5. Reach Brutes have smaller, longer feet with long toes. Brutes have tall, bulky, and short feet with short toes. 6. Reach Brutes have too much patience. Brutes are angry people that flip out. 7. Reach Brutes have perfectly straight legs and arms. Brutes have weird legs, with muscular bulges above the knees and forearms 8. Reach Brutes have thin, pointy teeth. Brutes have bulky and sharp teeth. 9. Reach Brutes have small mouths. Brutes have mouths that can open very wide and protrude outwards (and even fit MC's helmeted head inside of it) There was some other stuff I also noted. 10. Reach Brutes have pointed chins. Normal Brutes have rounded chins. 11. Reach Brutes have gold eyes. Every brute seen in every other Halo has red eyes. 12. Everything is wrong with the skull...just find a picture... 13. The Noes is totally wrong on Reach brutes. It is too narrow, very small nostrils, and looks human. Normal brutes have wider noses with larger nostrils. 14. Halo 3 Brutes have pronounced and wide shoulders. This means they have large shoulders that are up at neck level. Reach Brutes have slouched shoulders, a totally different structure. So yeah...there are many differences. I think I even missed some stuff.[/quote] 1. That is a noticeable difference, it actually looks kinda like the cone heads that some of the South American cultures would give themselves, do know what I'm talking about? Maybe these Brutes do that, or they just have a natural coney head, a possible genetic difference that developed in one tribe. And if you ask me, all the other incarnations of the Brutes look like their heads are somewhat conical, more so than a human head at least. 2. Eh, I didn't think the lips looked all that human, but heh, that's just me. 3. I haven't really seen any Reach Brute's eyes, so I can't comment on it really, but the older incarnations look like their eyes are a mix of red and gold, so having gold eyes isn't that much of a stretch, at least to me. 4. It is kinda smooth looking in some places, but it still looks rather rough to me. I think the other Brutes might have looked like they had rougher hides because of the graphics on Halo 3, like the humans look pretty rough-skinned too. And now Reach has infinitely better graphics. 5. I studied it really closely, feet seem to be just about the same. 6. I haven't really payed much attention to their combat personality, but I haven't really noticed any extraordinary patience or hanging back tactically. They charge right out and go for the kill whenever I've played, unlike the Elites who hang back until the right time to advance on you. 7. I haven't noticed, I'll give my thoughts when I've looked at it more. 8. Aren't pointy and sharp the same thing when it comes to teeth? But yeah, from what I've seen the 3/ODST Brutes do have larger teeth. 9. True, the Brutes in Reach do have smaller mouths, but they're not that much smaller and can still open plenty wide. Really? It never looked like it was wide enough to fit a helmet in their mouth :/ 10. Eh, kinda hard to tell to me, seeing as the older Brutes chins are mostly covered up by their goatee/chin-beard. 11. Kinda already talked about this one, see 4. 12. Already talked about this one too xD 13. Eh, looks the same to me, Reach Brutes have a more narrow face, so of course the nose is a bit smaller, but it still looks the same to me. 14. Shoulders still look the same to me, but I haven't really studied it, but from all the screenshots I've seen they look almost exactly the same. They are definitely different, I will give you that, but eh, I don't think they're all [i]that[/i] different looking.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] OrderedComa I'm not saying that being a good swordsman is in their genetic code, I think it's more about the specific gense, weight, height, etc. that would make someone more suited to a roll as a master swordsman. [/quote] I think it may be more about certain traits as opposed to some gene. They should have thought about this more...instead of just call it sword genes. That is too outrageous. But yeah...it must be desirable physical traits that compose sword genes. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] OrderedComa From what I've read, it sounded like an Aristocrat was a position like Field Marshall or something, and anyone who used the sword automatically earned the title.[/quote] Well...the Elites who wield swords are important people...so you would think Aristocracy would mean something almost similar to what we see it as. Can anyone be an aristocrat? What is needed to be an aristocrat? Do you just become one when reaching a certain rank? Whatever... But yeah...back to the Brutes. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] OrderedComa Ok, so the Asian/European example probably the best comparison I could have made, comparing dogs probably would have been a better example. What differences in appearance have you noticed between Reach Brutes and the Other Brutes? The only one I really noticed was the way the head was shaped and no obvious hair. [/quote] Well...as I stated like a million posts back... [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Naked Crook 1. Cone heads on Reach Brutes as opposed to rounder, horizontally longer heads. 2. Human looking lips. Reach Brutes have pale eyes, while Brutes have red eyes. 4. Reach Brutes are too smooth. Brutes have rough skin 5. Reach Brutes have smaller, longer feet with long toes. Brutes have tall, bulky, and short feet with short toes. 6. Reach Brutes have too much patience. Brutes are angry people that flip out. 7. Reach Brutes have perfectly straight legs and arms. Brutes have weird legs, with muscular bulges above the knees and forearms 8. Reach Brutes have thin, pointy teeth. Brutes have bulky and sharp teeth. 9. Reach Brutes have small mouths. Brutes have mouths that can open very wide and protrude outwards (and even fit MC's helmeted head inside of it) [/quote] There was some other stuff I also noted. 10. Reach Brutes have pointed chins. Normal Brutes have rounded chins. 11. Reach Brutes have gold eyes. Every brute seen in every other Halo has red eyes. 12. Everything is wrong with the skull...just find a picture... 13. The Noes is totally wrong on Reach brutes. It is too narrow, very small nostrils, and looks human. Normal brutes have wider noses with larger nostrils. 14. Halo 3 Brutes have pronounced and wide shoulders. This means they have large shoulders that are up at neck level. Reach Brutes have slouched shoulders, a totally different structure. So yeah...there are many differences. I think I even missed some stuff.

Thank You!!!

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Cubanpete24 I may be the first one to say this, But I really dig Brutes in the Halo Universe, Probably even more than I dig Elites. That isn't to say I don't dig Elites.....but let me put it this way Elites are Elegant....But Brutes are.....well, Brutes. and that's what I like about them. When you hear the word Brute, Something Big and strong is supposed to come to mind, something that uses Brute Force See what I did there? Right, so in Halo 2, They were Bullet Sponges, but hey, at the time, they were a neat change of pace from fighting Elites In Halo 3.....Damn, did they kick ass. They looked better......Fought better.....and were now sporting a kickass goatee And we all know Goatees are cool. Not only that, but they would freaking Lunge from across the map to get to you,the first time that happened to me, I freaking -blam!- my pants But then.....Halo: Reach releases their first renders of Brutes. [url=http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad61/cubanpete24/555px-HReach_-_Minor_Jiralhanae.png]Brute Minors[/url] [url=http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad61/cubanpete24/354px-HReach_-_Chieftain_Jiralhanae.png]Brute Chieftain[/url] What the -blam!- happened!? Where did all the hair go?!? Where did the Sexy goatee go?! okay....okay....so they shaved, What else could change in their design.... [url=http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad61/cubanpete24/reach_13670739_Full.jpg]Spoke too soon[/url] Lips?!? And a conehead?!? WHAT!?! How could we go from [url=http://images.wikia.com/halo/images/f/fa/Brute_Chieftain_Red.jpg]this[/url] to [url=http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad61/cubanpete24/354px-HReach_-_Chieftain_Jiralhanae.png]this?![/url] And, not only do they no longer resemble Brutes.....But they don't even act like ones So in Halo 3, you shot on under his armor chipped off, what did he do, He lunged from across the map like a Micheal Jordan in Halo Reach....you shoot one in the head 4 times until his hat pops off.....No Micheal Jordan Lunge.....No Berserk mode. They just stand there....and take hits! and I'm no stranger to how many time paradoxes Halo: Reach has caused.... Please post your opinions on Halo: Reach Brutes below[/quote] You preety much summed up my opinion. Brutes are supposed to be large, animalistic, gut ripping, neck gnawing iron rocket axe wielding monsters. That are also fun to go up against (like in Halo 3). Reach's Brutes suck. I only like the visual effect of the spiker heating up, but that's about it. [Edited on 03.07.2011 12:55 PM PST]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Naked Crook [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] RKOSNAKE Well, Elites that wield Energy Swords are mostly far more, adept at fighting and are more intelligent as, well, they've killed thousands of enemies to get the rank necessary to receive the honor of the sword. It's like us, some of us get things from our parents like abilities and the likes, say, an olympic swimmer were to have sex with some random woman and gets her pregnant, the baby would be less likely to get the attributes from his parents. But if it was with another swimmer, I think the baby would have a genetic predisposition to be of a more slim and athletic body instead of a regular body.[/quote] This is wrong. Although I do agree, some people can be genetically predisposed to certain body types (fat, thin, fit, muscular), it still plays no factor in what you are and are not good at. We have skills and talents today that were not considered, or even fathomed to be, skills 100, 500 years ago. If two fit swimmers have a baby, that baby could turn out anyway. If that baby doesn't put down the chips and cake, that baby, when it grows up, is gonna fat, lazy, and most certainly, not an Olympic swimmer. It's all upbringing and environment. Let's take [url=http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/1/10484/569650-4thplayercoopelite_large.jpg]Usze Taham[/url] as an example. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] www.halopedian.com Although Usze 'Taham was born into a respected merchant family in the state of 'Taham, he was fathered by Toha 'Sumai, one of the prominent swordfighters of this age. Toha mated with Usze's mother, a privilege granted by being a Swordsman, and Usze was raised by his mother and her husband. [/quote] [url=http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/1/10484/569650-4thplayercoopelite_large.jpg]I don't think Usze Taham is using a sword[/url] Why isn't he using a sword? He has Sword DNA! Give that man a sword! Oh wait...you need to PRACTICE to become a good swordsman. But if you have Sword DNA...you should be an instant God of the sword. So...if good swordsmanship is in their DNA then everyone has Sword DNA...then it's not special to use a sword. So then why do you need to be an aristocrat to use a sword if everyone has Sword DNA? Usze Taham doesn't look like an aristocrat, nor does his family seem like aristocracy...so then why was he born in the first place? So...if only aristocrats can use swords...why does [url=http://www.halopedian.com/Thel_%27Lodamee]Thel Lodamee[/url] have a sword? It never says he is an aristocrat. What's going on? Was he trained to use a sword? I'm confused. God in Heaven help me... Lets look up the definition of Schlock. Lets take a moment to do that...and then think about what I just typed. All done...lets move on. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] OrderedComa Well I said "sword genes" was the crude way of putting it. You have to agree though that there are certain genes that would make one more suited to something, yes? That's my take on it anyway, that being a sword master for Elites is more than just wielding a sword, and thus why they would want a specific genetic set for one. [/quote] I do agree, there are some genetic dispositions, like body weight, height, etc, that could help to become a better sword wielder...but I refute the idea that Swordsmanship is in their genetic code. Why isn't ship piloting, or vegetable cutting, or cooking, or dancing, or singing also part of their DNA. Again...I agree on traits that can make skills easier/harder to learn...but I refute the idea that people have skills in DNA. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] OrderedComa You are talking about the first time the game players have seen them right? Not the the Brute's first canon appearance?[/quote] I apologize, I was unclear about exactly what I meant to say. Yes, I am talking about their first video game appearance...which was Halo 2. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] OrderedComa I think they've looked cool in all their appearances. The two are not all that different looking, I think we'd have the same thing playing out as with the different sub-sets of Humanity. You know how like Asians would look very different from a European, but they're still both humans. The Reach Brutes are simply less hairy than the others we've seen and have a different shaped head.[/quote] I do like Halo 2 Brutes and I do like Halo 3/ODST/Wars Brutes. And you raise a good point about different sub-species. But...between Asians and Europeans...there are tiny differences. Skin tone, hair color, etc. Reach brutes look like a totally different species than Halo 3/ODST/Wars Brutes. Perhaps radical differences in appearance is possible...but from what we know of humanity, which is our only basis of comparison, and as Brutes look as close to humans as any Covenant species could hope to be, I think it's fair to make a conclusion, although a very debatable conclusion, that Reach Brutes are not a sub-species...but rather...a really poor job in recreating the Halo 3/ODST/Wars Brutes because Bungie wanted to make things look different to confuse us. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] mojeda101 [url=http://www.freegorillapictures.com/images/Photo137-Gorilla-Head-Closeup.jpg]What...?[/url][/quote] That's a gorilla...not a Brute. (And don't say "they are the same thing" because we all know they are not, it's just a racist term...yes...calling them Gorialls is a racist term in context. I know...it strange saying not to be racist to a fictional species...but...real or fake, it says a lot about someone if they can use derogatory terms just because they don't like something.) I dunno what you are trying to say here...but...try putting your idea in the form of words. [quote][/quote] Now...I need to address something here... [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] RKOSNAKE Besides Brutes just have their nightly village circle-jerk, were every Brute minor gives head to the local chief of the village.....cookie if you get the reference.[/quote] I needed to check what you meant by cookie, and after taking into consideration what you said, and checking Google...I must say you are one of the dumbest, and possibly, most sick humans alive. Nobody is interested in the content matter to which you touch yourself at night to. Nobody is interested in your "cookie" hobby, or any other practice you engage in. Go and make your sick jokes somewhere else. Because, that is rather disgusting, and not only is it unfounded, it makes you look VERY stupid. If you have nothing intelligent to contribute, go away.[/quote] I'm not saying that being a good swordsman is in their genetic code, I think it's more about the specific gense, weight, height, etc. that would make someone more suited to a roll as a master swordsman. Whatever it is is much more complicated than a single gene, which is why I said "Sword Gene" is a crude way of putting it. And I don't think it's been said that no matter what the "Sword Genes" will be passed on, it seemed to me like the Sword Masters could mate with multiple women to increase the chances of passing on the "Sword genes". So just because an Elite is the child of a Sword Master does not mean that they'll be one too, like it would seem that Usze is not, though we've never actually seen him do anything in cutscenes, so it's entirely possible he's a Sword Master too, especially since he was offered to join the Honor Guards multiple times. From what I've read, it sounded like an Aristocrat was a position like Field Marshall or something, and anyone who used the sword automatically earned the title. Especially since they receive a specific suffix "ai" added to their name if they're a sword wielder. It didn't sound like wealth or what [i]we[/i] would classify an aristocrat by figured into it much if at all. And we really don't know much about Lodamee, so if he's using a sword he probably is an aristocrat, since Minors can be aristocrats, which would indicate it doesn't really have much to do with rank. Ok, so the Asian/European example probably the [i]best[/i] comparison I could have made, comparing dogs probably would have been a better example. What differences in appearance have you noticed between Reach Brutes and the Other Brutes? The only one I really noticed was the way the head was shaped and no obvious hair. [quote]I apologize, I was unclear about exactly what I meant to say. Yes, I am talking about their first video game appearance...which was Halo 2.[/quote] It's 'k, just wanted to make sure I was understanding you right, and to prompt an explanation so no one would misinterpret the meaning and raise a big issue over nothing.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Cubanpete24 So in Halo 3, you shot on under his armor chipped off, what did he do, He lunged from across the map like a Micheal Jordan in Halo Reach....you shoot one in the head 4 times until his hat pops off.....No Micheal Jordan Lunge.....No Berserk mode. [/quote] I have a screenshot [i]and[/i] video that prove this wrong

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Naked Crook [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] RKOSNAKE I was playing Reach. But this Brute jumped like 3-4 meters in the air vertically to get my teammate. I was like woaaaaah and just stood watching before he came down and was overwhelmed with Assault Rifle bullets.[/quote] Yeah...Brutes can really jump. But you would think like a 1500 lbs Brute, when falling to the ground would make things shake a bit. They should have added that. The ability to be crushed...with the wacky bone snapping sound effects.[/quote] Perhaps, or be able to affect the terrain with the gravity hammer. Leave dents on the ground and walls maybe? [Edited on 03.06.2011 11:18 PM PST]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] RKOSNAKE I was playing Reach. But this Brute jumped like 3-4 meters in the air vertically to get my teammate. I was like woaaaaah and just stood watching before he came down and was overwhelmed with Assault Rifle bullets.[/quote] Yeah...Brutes can really jump. But you would think like a 1500 lbs Brute, when falling to the ground would make things shake a bit. They should have added that. The ability to be crushed...with the wacky bone snapping sound effects.