Well, i wouldn't go that far - i'd say the main reason the Chief never Armor-locked or anything like that was because those technologies were never available - they were probably all compatible with his Mark V armor, but all examples of the technology - most of it reverse-engineered from captured covenant technology - were lost when Reach was glassed. The reason i say it was compatible with his armor is that it intimates quite a great deal that the tech was built around the armor - so that the armor wouldnt have to be remade - and would priobably have worked, but the Chief didn't have access to it for the same reason he uses a different mix of weapons in Halo: CE - the Pillar of Autumn didn't have any of that technology aboard; the Assault Rifle being used was the Marine Variant (with a 60 round mag) instead of the UNSC Army variant that is used in Reach, same with the Magnum.. etc. And the reason you never see it later is because it was destroyed with Reach. That being said.. i stand by my statements. ALl of the dead Spartans you see in Lone Wolf are wearing the (B) variant; they are clearly not Red Team - ergo, there are a LOT more Spartan-IIIs that are free of their companies than the novels support, and they are ALL wearing Mjolnir, and not for-the-novels-only SPI.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Cmdr DaeFaron Wrong on so many parts. A: Noble Team is wearing Mark V MJONLIR. Mark V [B] is a helm variant, and NOTHING MORE. Please point me to were it is said they are wearing a 'weaker' version of mark V please. B: Kurt pulled several Spartan III's from the companys to form special ops squads. The spartans in lone wolf could be another one of those. The 'core' of the Spartan 3 companies were given SPI, aka all that went on the 'suicide mission'.[/quote] Mark V [B] is arguably more than just a helmet variant. When was the last time Chiefy used armor lock? How come Noble 6 doesn't get hurt by fire? And what happened to butt armor? But then again, Chief [i]did[/i] have some funny looking blue thing on his back... [Edited on 12.31.2010 1:04 PM PST]

cause N6 isnt lucky

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Cmdr DaeFaron Wrong on so many parts. A: Noble Team is wearing Mark V MJONLIR. Mark V (B) is a helm variant, and NOTHING MORE. Please point me to were it is said they are wearing a 'weaker' version of mark V please. B: Kurt pulled several Spartan III's from the companys to form special ops squads. The spartans in lone wolf could be another one of those. The 'core' of the Spartan 3 companies were given SPI, aka all that went on the 'suicide mission'.[/quote] maybe the quoting confused you; but you just agreed with everything *I* actually said. I never said that only Noble Team had Mjolnir armor - that is merely the "accepted wisdom" and something that... more than half of the other posers said/accepted as fact. I also never said, and have no idea how you inferred that i did, that Spartan IIIs were issued some kind of "Second grade" Mjolnir armor. I never even said anything remotely like it. All i said was that Spartan IIs DO NOT USE the Mk V(B) Variant of the helmet, thus indicating that all those dead Spartans you see in Lone Wolf are S-IIIs. In fact, i said that seeing the bodies of the other Spartans on Reach, wearing Mk V [B] armor (which is primarily a helmet variant) but is something the Spartan II's [i]Did not wear[/i], proves that there were a lot more Spartan IIIs wearing Mjolnir armor than just Noble team, and also implies rather heavily that the "facts" of how Spartan III companies/trainees were organized is total bunk. In the novels, it is all but flat out stated that less than handfull of each Spartan III company is "pulled out" by Kurt - i believe in Alpha company it was less than 6.. and yet, on Reach, we plainly see and hear about at LEAST three other full-size Spartan Teams that *must* be made up entirely of Spartan IIIs (as all of the Spartan IIs are accounted for in Red and Blue teams, with Grey team MIA on the Spirit of Fire) and ALL of them are wearing Mjolnir armor. (so, at the very least, including Noble Team, 23 more Spartan IIIs who were in active service BEFORE Gamma Company could have existed/been deployed). I like the novels; i even have most of them. But the facts dont lie -as time goes on and the first-tier canon (the games and their materials) continues, the novels are getting less and less accurate and less and less reliable. I mean.. lets examine the Mjolnir variants, for example. Why the hell would there be dozens of variants of each piece of armor for only 30-something Spartan IIs and Noble Team? Answer: because all the Spartan IIIs use Mjolnir and the novels, written by non-Bungie employees, and before these details were firmly decided by Bungie, have a lot of stuff that was invented solely for the novels that simply isnt considered true by the first-tier canon. Any author working on an established work, when confronted with a spot where the existing material doesn't have something, will invent what he needs for his story. That's what happened with the SIII lore in the novels, and, well, it isnt supported by the games, which are the primary source of canon.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Sparta98 It's stated that he is "Hyper Lethal" in the one trailer. Also, spartan threes had some of the steriod treatments altered/removed because about half of the spartan twos were killed by the injections and such, increasing survival rate, making them expendable, which makes them less vital, which means they no longer have the benefit of expensive armor.[/quote] Actually, not true. The only augmentation that was removed was the one which boosted skeletal and muscle growth. The rest were unchanged. (Besides gamma company which received the extra ones allowing them to fight while near death.) Yep, Six is hyper-lethal. However, the other Spartan with that rating is (as far as I know) never stated or specified. Master Chief's actions through the halo trilogy doesn't count as the line is said before Halo CE.

She didn't like him as much because he's dead. Hard to enjoy one's company when you aren't with him that long and he hands you off to someone else and then said person dies.

It's stated that he is "Hyper Lethal" in the one trailer. Also, spartan threes had some of the steriod treatments altered/removed because about half of the spartan twos were killed by the injections and such, increasing survival rate, making them expendable, which makes them less vital, which means they no longer have the benefit of expensive armor.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] RagedSycokiller hey that idea of cortana frgment connected the halo reach book and game togehter. look at this. if the book says shes alredy in PoA but in the game six is carrying her also then the one six got is a fragment. look now every thing coonects. except juns DEATH!! sheesh bungie just tell us hes dead so nobody like me have to wonder any more.[/quote] He dies on Onyx...

hey that idea of cortana frgment connected the halo reach book and game togehter. look at this. if the book says shes alredy in PoA but in the game six is carrying her also then the one six got is a fragment. look now every thing coonects. except juns DEATH!! sheesh bungie just tell us hes dead so nobody like me have to wonder any more.

Master Chief was "Bigger".

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Blagojew00ch [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] kshell11724 Excellent questions. Never thought about it. Did Noble 6 even know what he was carrying?[/quote] Thanks, I think they see each other briefly in person before being attached to Noble 6, she also doesn't seem too emotional or gratfeful about Noble Team's sacrifice.[/quote] yes she is at the end video of lone wolf she says something your victory you passed the torch .... etc. i think shes pretty grateful just mad shes floating in a piece of junk near the remains of the ark

what if your character has vI armor? [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Loken5 It was a fraction of her that was most likely too busy analyzing the Forerunner Data, and I think its also cause Mark V doesn't have the

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Cmdr DaeFaron [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ninjakenzen [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] manwith [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] The 13th Arbiter [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] manwith I'm sorry but I can't agree with this. Dante from Ghosts of Onyx and Noble Six at the end of Reach made it pretty clear no Spartan-II could have ever done like that.[/quote] The S-II's are all superior to the S-III's. They're built to a higher spec, trained to a higher standard, equipped with better armor (I'll take shields and super-strength over invisibility any day) and more experienced. They're also better at working as a team (Blue team>Noble team, by far). I mean, read "First Strike". One S-II and a few Marines managed to capture a Covenant carrier. Not blow up, capture. And then five S-II's managed to blow up a Covenant fleet of over 500 ships preparing to attack Earth. They suffered only one KIA during the entire OP. (And I'm not even going to reccount the events of H:CE,2 and 3, which were all done by an S-II) Look at it like this: S-III's are expendable, S-II's are not. You don't throw away your best soldiers. [/quote] I'm sorry but that post alone doesn't convince me. Spartan-IIs were given tasks, not so suicidal ones after Reach fell with Cortana without having an entire Covenant fleet swarming them.[/quote] If anything,some Spartan-IIs were on Reach while it was being glassed and they survived. Fact: Spartan-II are physically stronger then S-III. Due to the more extreme argumentations they recived. The only ever time Spartan-III may be stronger (this is according to Ghosts of Onyx) is when they go into berserk mode before they die. Due to an additional argumentation they received secretly by Kurt. In any case, Spartan-IIs were also genetically superior, they were chosen from a list of specific geneticics that were superior. Spartan-III had not all received this benefit. Spartan-II had the best training mankind could offer them and had generations of experiences. Spartan-III to make them more cost productive had less training time and less specialized means of combat training. It even says so in the novels that Kurt says something along the lines of, they will never be as good as the class before them (Spartan-IIs) but they are Spartans and nothing could change that. Which is why the S-III always had a high regard for S-IIs while Kurt wore the SPI armour to separate himself from that group mentality. Are you honestly telling me Jun is better then Linda? Kat is better then Kelly? Carter is better then Fred? Hell no! Read the novels before you start shouting S-IIIs are this and that!![/quote] I have read the novels, nothing states the S3 augmentations are worse. We aren't saying the Spartan 2s suck, we are simply saying you all treat Spartan 3s as worthless, and fail to understand that SOME of them can be just as good, or better then a Spartan 2. You must have failed to fully read the books as the Spartan 3 training was described a 'Cheaper, better trained soldiers." Saying the Mendez and Kurt couldn't use the spartan 2 training to 'cut the crap' and give them what they needed to know in a shorter period of time is just as retarded as saying "No spartan can do what Chief did."[/quote] They wanted Cheaper, Better Trained soldiers, Doesn't mean they received them. Cheaper, yes that's true. I'm not saying S-3 argumentations are worse, i'm saying they left out the riskiers ones that proved more beneficial to the Spartan-IIs in the long run. I would argue that in the Halo universe no other Spartan could do what Cheif did. Not even Fred. Let alone N6 or any S-III. Due to the fact that he was chosen by Cortana. they had History, Chemistry. People seem to forget that Cortana played a crucial role in how chief successfully owned the Halo trilogy lol. In any case, luck, that's always been stressed with John, beginning of H3 ,if you want in-game refs cause i know you have selective reading, how many times has he just got lucky surviving certain battles. In the books, in the game etc. He is the iconic Spartan-II, this is where fred could have taken the job as well. He's an all-rounder. You could argue N-6 as well but beyond the whole hyper-lethal status what makes him so experiences. Survival is more important then anything, in the novels Halsey is always stressing to teach them to fight another day, a concept Kurt tried to teach his S-IIIs. Obviously N-6 wasn't apart of that. But putting all aside honestly bungie canon on Spartans is ridiculous. Even if it is top canon, how would a Spec-Op Spartan Unit act with so little discipline and order. You have Kat taking cracks at Carter, Emile taking shots at Jorge. Jun talking too much in a silent sniper op. Most of this just doesn't fit in to Spartan ideology S-III or S-II. Although it's canon. It sucks. I see you have no issue with this as obviously you wearn't impacted by the Spartans in the Novel otherwise you would have your own vested interest into why S-II are superior. Reach did a better job at just telling you how much they were better.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] BF33 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] BlitzBladeX Guessing you didn't notice the Cortana fragment was kept in an external storage device [b](why it's so gigantic and not a tiny super USB or something is beyond me)[/b] and wasn't actually placed inside Six's armor then.[/quote] Because the device had to have a holographic display to show Cortana, and Cortana had a huge memory database, that pretty much soaked in everything she saw.[/quote] actually i think that thing that she is in is some sort of casing to protect her if she is droped, or worse

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Dead State Zulu [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] impanther2002 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Dead State Zulu [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ODST 6 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Halen2020 Technically speaking, Dr. Halsey didn't know about the S3s until Onyx. She didn't have enough information. She was only guessing. Besides, Noble team was equiped with armor that no S3 ever got. Perhaps they were not S3. Perhaps they were S1.[/quote] [b]It's already confirmed that all the Spartans of Noble Team, besides Jorge, were Spartan IIIs. They were just the only Spartan IIIs that recieved the MJOLNIR armor versus the weaker SPI armor.[/b][/quote] The games and their supplementary material are primary canon, the books are secondary, the comics and various animated material are tertiary (at best). Meaning, the stuff in the books is only correct if it is not superceded/contradicted by what is seen on screen in the games or their suplemental material. From playing Reach alone, we know that Spartan IIIs are treated no differently than Spartan IIs - in fact, Jorge seems to be strictly middle of the road, performance wise, in Noble Team. We can conclude that SIIIs are not inferior to SIIs. We know, from Reach, that there are AT LEAST three other teams of Spartans that aren't Red Team, on Reach, during the fall - comments are made about the fact that theyve all been deployed to protect civilian evacuation measures, and what a waste that is. This implies that the books were (very) wrong when it came to the number of Spartan-IIIs removed from their source companies for active deployment - possibly even demonstrating that the entire idea is incorrect. (Particularly since we see Carter being augmented on a station above Reach). Later, we see Spartan bodies that are clearly not Red Team; they are in Mjolnir Mk V(B). We can conclude that all active-service Spartan IIIs, at the very least (those not part of their original "Company") are armed with Mjolnir armor. The average fighting man, for certain, has no idea of the difference. If the books are to be believed, the SIII augmentations have to be at least as good as the SII augmentations or they couldn't even wear Mjolnir - it would shatter their bones. As for why it worked 100% when the SII didn't - that's fairly easy and a no-brainer. 20+ years of continued medical advances and research on the topic. And, my last pet peeve (not directly brought up in this thread but for simplicities sake): All active-duty Spartans use the S prefix. it is not Carter A-259, it is Carter S-259, etc. Clearly seen in the games, their supplemental material, et al. [/quote] Those spartans might not be spartan IIIs they might be spartan IIs.[/quote] Since they are wearing Mk V [B}, and not the traditional Mk V - highly unlikely. And, uh... where did this extrra SIIs come from? They aren't Red Team... so POOF there are even MORE unnacounted for S2s? Not seein that. Nothing in the games supports that S3s are inferior to S2s, at all. Nothing in the games supports the supposition that all S3s except Noble team were given inferior Armor - in fact, all the available evidence supports that all Spartans in the field where other UNSC troops might see them wear Mjolnir..since we SEE other dead spartans that are not the S2s of Red Team and are wearing Mk V [B] armor. It just doesn't fly. [/quote] Wrong on so many parts. A: Noble Team is wearing Mark V MJONLIR. Mark V [B] is a helm variant, and NOTHING MORE. Please point me to were it is said they are wearing a 'weaker' version of mark V please. B: Kurt pulled several Spartan III's from the companys to form special ops squads. The spartans in lone wolf could be another one of those. The 'core' of the Spartan 3 companies were given SPI, aka all that went on the 'suicide mission'.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] impanther2002 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Dead State Zulu [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ODST 6 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Halen2020 Technically speaking, Dr. Halsey didn't know about the S3s until Onyx. She didn't have enough information. She was only guessing. Besides, Noble team was equiped with armor that no S3 ever got. Perhaps they were not S3. Perhaps they were S1.[/quote] [b]It's already confirmed that all the Spartans of Noble Team, besides Jorge, were Spartan IIIs. They were just the only Spartan IIIs that recieved the MJOLNIR armor versus the weaker SPI armor.[/b][/quote] The games and their supplementary material are primary canon, the books are secondary, the comics and various animated material are tertiary (at best). Meaning, the stuff in the books is only correct if it is not superceded/contradicted by what is seen on screen in the games or their suplemental material. From playing Reach alone, we know that Spartan IIIs are treated no differently than Spartan IIs - in fact, Jorge seems to be strictly middle of the road, performance wise, in Noble Team. We can conclude that SIIIs are not inferior to SIIs. We know, from Reach, that there are AT LEAST three other teams of Spartans that aren't Red Team, on Reach, during the fall - comments are made about the fact that theyve all been deployed to protect civilian evacuation measures, and what a waste that is. This implies that the books were (very) wrong when it came to the number of Spartan-IIIs removed from their source companies for active deployment - possibly even demonstrating that the entire idea is incorrect. (Particularly since we see Carter being augmented on a station above Reach). Later, we see Spartan bodies that are clearly not Red Team; they are in Mjolnir Mk V(B). We can conclude that all active-service Spartan IIIs, at the very least (those not part of their original "Company") are armed with Mjolnir armor. The average fighting man, for certain, has no idea of the difference. If the books are to be believed, the SIII augmentations have to be at least as good as the SII augmentations or they couldn't even wear Mjolnir - it would shatter their bones. As for why it worked 100% when the SII didn't - that's fairly easy and a no-brainer. 20+ years of continued medical advances and research on the topic. And, my last pet peeve (not directly brought up in this thread but for simplicities sake): All active-duty Spartans use the S prefix. it is not Carter A-259, it is Carter S-259, etc. Clearly seen in the games, their supplemental material, et al. [/quote] Those spartans might not be spartan IIIs they might be spartan IIs.[/quote] Since they are wearing Mk V [B}, and not the traditional Mk V - highly unlikely. And, uh... where did this extrra SIIs come from? They aren't Red Team... so POOF there are even MORE unnacounted for S2s? Not seein that. Nothing in the games supports that S3s are inferior to S2s, at all. Nothing in the games supports the supposition that all S3s except Noble team were given inferior Armor - in fact, all the available evidence supports that all Spartans in the field where other UNSC troops might see them wear Mjolnir..since we SEE other dead spartans that are not the S2s of Red Team and are wearing Mk V [B] armor. It just doesn't fly.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ninjakenzen [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] manwith [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] The 13th Arbiter [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] manwith I'm sorry but I can't agree with this. Dante from Ghosts of Onyx and Noble Six at the end of Reach made it pretty clear no Spartan-II could have ever done like that.[/quote] The S-II's are all superior to the S-III's. They're built to a higher spec, trained to a higher standard, equipped with better armor (I'll take shields and super-strength over invisibility any day) and more experienced. They're also better at working as a team (Blue team>Noble team, by far). I mean, read "First Strike". One S-II and a few Marines managed to capture a Covenant carrier. Not blow up, capture. And then five S-II's managed to blow up a Covenant fleet of over 500 ships preparing to attack Earth. They suffered only one KIA during the entire OP. (And I'm not even going to reccount the events of H:CE,2 and 3, which were all done by an S-II) Look at it like this: S-III's are expendable, S-II's are not. You don't throw away your best soldiers. [/quote] I'm sorry but that post alone doesn't convince me. Spartan-IIs were given tasks, not so suicidal ones after Reach fell with Cortana without having an entire Covenant fleet swarming them.[/quote] If anything,some Spartan-IIs were on Reach while it was being glassed and they survived. Fact: Spartan-II are physically stronger then S-III. Due to the more extreme argumentations they recived. The only ever time Spartan-III may be stronger (this is according to Ghosts of Onyx) is when they go into berserk mode before they die. Due to an additional argumentation they received secretly by Kurt. In any case, Spartan-IIs were also genetically superior, they were chosen from a list of specific geneticics that were superior. Spartan-III had not all received this benefit. Spartan-II had the best training mankind could offer them and had generations of experiences. Spartan-III to make them more cost productive had less training time and less specialized means of combat training. It even says so in the novels that Kurt says something along the lines of, they will never be as good as the class before them (Spartan-IIs) but they are Spartans and nothing could change that. Which is why the S-III always had a high regard for S-IIs while Kurt wore the SPI armour to separate himself from that group mentality. Are you honestly telling me Jun is better then Linda? Kat is better then Kelly? Carter is better then Fred? Hell no! Read the novels before you start shouting S-IIIs are this and that!![/quote] The Spartan-IIs from Reach survived because Noble Six saved John and Linda directly by destroying the incoming battlecruiser so John could later come back to Reach to pick up the remaining Spartan-IIs with the help of Cortana which Noble Six had delivered. And asking me to read the novels is pretty weird, because I have done research from my part, and comparing Spartans between II & IIIs from the novels is silly since none of them (S-IIIs) are wearing MJOLNIR there.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ninjakenzen [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] manwith [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] The 13th Arbiter [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] manwith I'm sorry but I can't agree with this. Dante from Ghosts of Onyx and Noble Six at the end of Reach made it pretty clear no Spartan-II could have ever done like that.[/quote] The S-II's are all superior to the S-III's. They're built to a higher spec, trained to a higher standard, equipped with better armor (I'll take shields and super-strength over invisibility any day) and more experienced. They're also better at working as a team (Blue team>Noble team, by far). I mean, read "First Strike". One S-II and a few Marines managed to capture a Covenant carrier. Not blow up, capture. And then five S-II's managed to blow up a Covenant fleet of over 500 ships preparing to attack Earth. They suffered only one KIA during the entire OP. (And I'm not even going to reccount the events of H:CE,2 and 3, which were all done by an S-II) Look at it like this: S-III's are expendable, S-II's are not. You don't throw away your best soldiers. [/quote] I'm sorry but that post alone doesn't convince me. Spartan-IIs were given tasks, not so suicidal ones after Reach fell with Cortana without having an entire Covenant fleet swarming them.[/quote] If anything,some Spartan-IIs were on Reach while it was being glassed and they survived. Fact: Spartan-II are physically stronger then S-III. Due to the more extreme argumentations they recived. The only ever time Spartan-III may be stronger (this is according to Ghosts of Onyx) is when they go into berserk mode before they die. Due to an additional argumentation they received secretly by Kurt. In any case, Spartan-IIs were also genetically superior, they were chosen from a list of specific geneticics that were superior. Spartan-III had not all received this benefit. Spartan-II had the best training mankind could offer them and had generations of experiences. Spartan-III to make them more cost productive had less training time and less specialized means of combat training. It even says so in the novels that Kurt says something along the lines of, they will never be as good as the class before them (Spartan-IIs) but they are Spartans and nothing could change that. Which is why the S-III always had a high regard for S-IIs while Kurt wore the SPI armour to separate himself from that group mentality. Are you honestly telling me Jun is better then Linda? Kat is better then Kelly? Carter is better then Fred? Hell no! Read the novels before you start shouting S-IIIs are this and that!![/quote] I have read the novels, nothing states the S3 augmentations are worse. We aren't saying the Spartan 2s suck, we are simply saying you all treat Spartan 3s as worthless, and fail to understand that SOME of them can be just as good, or better then a Spartan 2. You must have failed to fully read the books as the Spartan 3 training was described a 'Cheaper, better trained soldiers." Saying the Mendez and Kurt couldn't use the spartan 2 training to 'cut the crap' and give them what they needed to know in a shorter period of time is just as retarded as saying "No spartan can do what Chief did."

Her AI is based off of a Window's operating system, therefore, she was useless. :P

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] manwith [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] The 13th Arbiter [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] manwith I'm sorry but I can't agree with this. Dante from Ghosts of Onyx and Noble Six at the end of Reach made it pretty clear no Spartan-II could have ever done like that.[/quote] The S-II's are all superior to the S-III's. They're built to a higher spec, trained to a higher standard, equipped with better armor (I'll take shields and super-strength over invisibility any day) and more experienced. They're also better at working as a team (Blue team>Noble team, by far). I mean, read "First Strike". One S-II and a few Marines managed to capture a Covenant carrier. Not blow up, capture. And then five S-II's managed to blow up a Covenant fleet of over 500 ships preparing to attack Earth. They suffered only one KIA during the entire OP. (And I'm not even going to reccount the events of H:CE,2 and 3, which were all done by an S-II) Look at it like this: S-III's are expendable, S-II's are not. You don't throw away your best soldiers. [/quote] I'm sorry but that post alone doesn't convince me. Spartan-IIs were given tasks, not so suicidal ones after Reach fell with Cortana without having an entire Covenant fleet swarming them.[/quote] If anything,some Spartan-IIs were on Reach while it was being glassed and they survived. Fact: Spartan-II are physically stronger then S-III. Due to the more extreme argumentations they recived. The only ever time Spartan-III may be stronger (this is according to Ghosts of Onyx) is when they go into berserk mode before they die. Due to an additional argumentation they received secretly by Kurt. In any case, Spartan-IIs were also genetically superior, they were chosen from a list of specific geneticics that were superior. Spartan-III had not all received this benefit. Spartan-II had the best training mankind could offer them and had generations of experiences. Spartan-III to make them more cost productive had less training time and less specialized means of combat training. It even says so in the novels that Kurt says something along the lines of, they will never be as good as the class before them (Spartan-IIs) but they are Spartans and nothing could change that. Which is why the S-III always had a high regard for S-IIs while Kurt wore the SPI armour to separate himself from that group mentality. Are you honestly telling me Jun is better then Linda? Kat is better then Kelly? Carter is better then Fred? Hell no! Read the novels before you start shouting S-IIIs are this and that!!

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ALPHA Sentinel It's not a Cortana "fragment," it is actually the real Cortana. She wasn't kept in Six's armor, but in the Storage Device Six was given by Halsey, which he then gave to Keyes. Keyes then inserted her into the compartment in the Pillar of Autumn's bridge, which is the pedestal she appears on in the first cutscene you see her in in Halo: CE.[/quote] Do you have or read the Journal? Cortana was split into two parts. The bulk, which went around with Chief before the battle of Reach, and the smaller part, which was processing the data on the forerunner structure. You deliver the smaller portion.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ninjakenzen [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] xxakillzxx [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] xxakillzxx Cortana could not communicate with Noble 6 because she was being transported in a memory unit. Would you expect a program on a flash drive to run without a computer??? Spartan III's were made to be cheaper and more expendable but they had the same augmentations that the S-2's had only with a higher success rate due to better medical technology at that point. They were made cheaper by widening the genetic pool used to select Spartan candidates and using cheaper armor. However, that is not to say that all S-3's are inferior to S-2's. Remember the letter from Kurt to CPO Mendez (still available [url=http://www.bungie.net/projects/reach/article.aspx?ucc=personnel&cid=24040]here[/url])? Kurt says "You know as well as I do that we wind up with some that she would have chosen," referring to Dr. Halsey and the strict standards she used to select S-2 candidates. Dr. Halsey ensured that every S-2 was the best of the best by using genetic markers and personally visiting the candidates. S-3's were chosen more liberally and without personal interviews so there were several candidates that were not the best of the best. It just so happened that candidates like Noble 6 and Carter would have been selected by Halsey's standards as well because they are genetically better than the vast majority of S-3 candidates. Therefore, in general, S-2's are superior to S-3's with some exceptions, like 6, Carter, Kat, etc... Furthermore, all S-2's were issued Mjolnir armor and essentially all of the S-3's had SPI armor, the exception being members of Noble Team who were hidden from the S-3 program and specially issued Mjolnir armor. So considering that the members of Noble Team were good enough to be selected by Halsey and had the same augmentations and the same armor as S-2's, there is no reason to assume that any given S-2 is superior to specifically any member of Noble Team. Hyper Lethal does not mean that the Spartan with that rating is superior than a Spartan without that rating. It simply means that a Spartan with that rating has reached a certain number of confirmed kills alone. Noble 6 is considered Hyper Lethal because of his number of confirmed kills. Halsey mentions only one other Spartan with that rating and is probably implying John. Hyper Lethal does not mean that these Spartans are better than any other Spartan. John realized that there were several other Spartans that were better than him, especially Fred. [/quote][/quote] ^This Except that Halsey had no Part with the creation on Noble Team. She had not selected any of them. She had only found out about them around the time of the 1st mission in Reach. This is according to the Halsey's Journal. [/quote] He means, had them been around when Halsey was selecting the Spartan 2 trainees, they would have most likely been picked.

It's not a Cortana "fragment," it is actually the real Cortana. She wasn't kept in Six's armor, but in the Storage Device Six was given by Halsey, which he then gave to Keyes. Keyes then inserted her into the compartment in the Pillar of Autumn's bridge, which is the pedestal she appears on in the first cutscene you see her in in Halo: CE.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] xxakillzxx [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] xxakillzxx Cortana could not communicate with Noble 6 because she was being transported in a memory unit. Would you expect a program on a flash drive to run without a computer??? Spartan III's were made to be cheaper and more expendable but they had the same augmentations that the S-2's had only with a higher success rate due to better medical technology at that point. They were made cheaper by widening the genetic pool used to select Spartan candidates and using cheaper armor. However, that is not to say that all S-3's are inferior to S-2's. Remember the letter from Kurt to CPO Mendez (still available [url=http://www.bungie.net/projects/reach/article.aspx?ucc=personnel&cid=24040]here[/url])? Kurt says "You know as well as I do that we wind up with some that she would have chosen," referring to Dr. Halsey and the strict standards she used to select S-2 candidates. Dr. Halsey ensured that every S-2 was the best of the best by using genetic markers and personally visiting the candidates. S-3's were chosen more liberally and without personal interviews so there were several candidates that were not the best of the best. It just so happened that candidates like Noble 6 and Carter would have been selected by Halsey's standards as well because they are genetically better than the vast majority of S-3 candidates. Therefore, in general, S-2's are superior to S-3's with some exceptions, like 6, Carter, Kat, etc... Furthermore, all S-2's were issued Mjolnir armor and essentially all of the S-3's had SPI armor, the exception being members of Noble Team who were hidden from the S-3 program and specially issued Mjolnir armor. So considering that the members of Noble Team were good enough to be selected by Halsey and had the same augmentations and the same armor as S-2's, there is no reason to assume that any given S-2 is superior to specifically any member of Noble Team. Hyper Lethal does not mean that the Spartan with that rating is superior than a Spartan without that rating. It simply means that a Spartan with that rating has reached a certain number of confirmed kills alone. Noble 6 is considered Hyper Lethal because of his number of confirmed kills. Halsey mentions only one other Spartan with that rating and is probably implying John. Hyper Lethal does not mean that these Spartans are better than any other Spartan. John realized that there were several other Spartans that were better than him, especially Fred. [/quote][/quote] ^This Except that Halsey had no Part with the creation on Noble Team. She had not selected any of them. She had only found out about them around the time of the 1st mission in Reach. This is according to the Halsey's Journal.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] GPK Ethan [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Loken5 It was a fraction of her that was most likely too busy analyzing the Forerunner Data, and I think its also cause Mark V doesn't have the little connector port like Mark VI does[/quote] You mean the Mark V[B because the Mark V has a slot for AI.[/quote] Mark V[B is a helm variant. Unless you can prove it doesn't have the socket, I'll have to say it is there. Likewise, until I see bungie or in-universe statements of Master Chief being hyper-lethal, Noble Team having weaker armor, or Spartan 3 augmentations being worse, I'll have to say those three statements are false. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] The Shepherd214 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Paranoia UK II Because Noble 6 is in all likelyhood a S3 whereas MC is a S2[/quote] oh, believe me, Noble Six is a Spartan 3. The way he runs, jumps, and cant dual wield? Yea. Spartan 3.[/quote] So Master Chief was a Spartan 3 in Halo CE then? [Edited on 12.30.2010 12:24 PM PST]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Paranoia UK II Because Noble 6 is in all likelyhood a S3 whereas MC is a S2[/quote] oh, believe me, Noble Six is a Spartan 3. The way he runs, jumps, and cant dual wield? Yea. Spartan 3.