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12/18/2010 12:13:09 PM
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how are brutes stronger than elites?
why is everyone saying this? The elites are clearly stronger and taller in the games anyway. the brutes are a joke to fight and theyre just basically bullet sponges for the rest of the covenant. even if they did have shields, elites imo would still win in a hand to hand fight.
[EDIT] people are saying in the novels that the brutes are much bigger and stronger than in the games. but doesnt game canon overule book canon? just sayin.
[Edited on 01.19.2011 11:14 AM PST]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ThatSweed2010 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Peter mv The brutes are nothing but iron muscle, were as elites are alot more like human, compared to the brutes, although stronger. The elites relly on their shields, but the brutes sponge... That kind of shows that the brutes are stronger by it's self.[/quote] Ditto.[/quote] They are tougher and stronger but strength is not the defining fact when it comes to fighting. Agility and speed also come to play and Elites have the advantage in these qualities and also have immense strength too.
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Here, I did some research because the amount of Ignorance in this thread was unfortunate: [url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=55518194&viewreplies=true]You're welcome[/url]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] WEE MAN MJJC [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] HipiO7 Actually, in the novels, Brutes are in fact taller and much stronger than Elites.[/quote] but why would bungie mislead us like that? In the games they are verly clearly shorter than the elites. sure they can take a hit but an elite is much more challenging than a brute.[/quote] Gameplay factors. Elite's are supposed to be smart and cunning, Brutes depend more on brute force and raw force to win. Bungie dosent really mislead us that much.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Peter mv The brutes are nothing but iron muscle, were as elites are alot more like human, compared to the brutes, although stronger. The elites relly on their shields, but the brutes sponge... That kind of shows that the brutes are stronger by it's self.[/quote] Ditto.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] HipiO7 Actually, in the novels, Brutes are in fact taller and much stronger than Elites.[/quote] but why would bungie mislead us like that? In the games they are verly clearly shorter than the elites. sure they can take a hit but an elite is much more challenging than a brute.
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Actually, in the novels, Brutes are in fact taller and much stronger than Elites.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] WhiterRain12 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Wazooty Brutes dont use energy shields. Notice how fast elites die without shields, even on legendary. Brutes are tougher/[/quote] Brutes are much tougher than elites. Just imagine how a extremely well trained brute would be. Brutes have better senses, and are better physically. If brutes would not stab each other and rage, they could easily take down a high ranking elite in Hand to hand.[/quote] ye but intelligence > toughness any day of the week
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Wazooty Brutes dont use energy shields. Notice how fast elites die without shields, even on legendary. Brutes are tougher/[/quote] Brutes are much tougher than elites. Just imagine how a extremely well trained brute would be. Brutes have better senses, and are better physically. If brutes would not stab each other and rage, they could easily take down a high ranking elite in Hand to hand. [Edited on 01.14.2011 2:22 PM PST]
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Brutes dont use energy shields. Notice how fast elites die without shields, even on legendary. Brutes are tougher/
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Elites are like Bruce Lee.
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A Brute fighting and Elite in CQC would be like a bodybuilder(Brute) vs someone with great skill in martial arts with a considerable amount of strength(Elite) Brutes are stronger (Not by much though) then Elites but Elites are smarter, faster and are better trained then Brutes.
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Elites are smarter and all, but in terms of power, a Brute is way stronger. Agreed: they don't live up to their potential in the games (heres hoping 343 will make a more gritty Halo with truely brutal Brutes), but in the books....oh my, they really deserve their names there. Ripping off arms/heads/anything really. Eating humans. Killing their own troops if their in their way. Going berserk and almost killing Spartans with their bare hands (1 almost killed the Chief on the Unyielding Hierophant). Not to forget, something the games never show: a Brute is almost 3 meters high...thats HUGE. I hope we will someday see packs of these Brutes in a Halo game.
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They my be stronger, but the Elites have them beat in the sexy department.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] mojeda101 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] the n00b pwner [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Spartan 4411 [quote] *Facepalm* Noble 6 is the same height as Master Chief, and that picture says 7'4".[/quote] first off super quote and no SPARTAN IIIs are just a bit bigger than the avarage human thats it they would be about 5'11'' at least[/quote] Master Chief is 6'11", Carter is 6'10", Emile is 6'10", Jun is 6'11".[/quote] You fail, Chief is indeed 6'11, without armor, when he's in it, he's at least 7'4, Carter is 6'8, once in Armor, 6'10.[/quote] We don't know how tall Carter is in armor, and chief is 7'2" in armor
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] burritosenior Elites are equal to Spartans in hand to hand. Brutes will slaughter a Spartan or Elite, apparently (given that Elites are apparently much smarter). You can't call gameplay canon. Gameplay STORY is canon. But gameplay itself is not. I mean, in canon the chief probably had more than two ways to do a beatdown with a gun. He probably didn't jump that high whenever he walked around. He probably didn't try to beatdown hunters. The Sniper didn't suddenly lose night-vision. Rockets probably didn't lose the ability to lock on, then magically gained it again a week later. See what I'm saying though, even though my examples were bad? Things changed for gameplay purposes don't change canon. Things changed for STORY purposes change canon. [/quote] Elites are equal in terms of strength but not skill or reflexes. Kelly for example, the weakest spartan, broke an elite's wrist when he swung at her with a sword and, in one movement, sliced him and three other elites in half
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] the n00b pwner [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Spartan 4411 [quote] *Facepalm* Noble 6 is the same height as Master Chief, and that picture says 7'4".[/quote] first off super quote and no SPARTAN IIIs are just a bit bigger than the avarage human thats it they would be about 5'11'' at least[/quote] Master Chief is 6'11", Carter is 6'10", Emile is 6'10", Jun is 6'11".[/quote] You fail, Chief is indeed 6'11, without armor, when he's in it, he's at least 7'4, Carter is 6'8, once in Armor, 6'10.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Spartan 4411 [quote] *Facepalm* Noble 6 is the same height as Master Chief, and that picture says 7'4".[/quote] first off super quote and no SPARTAN IIIs are just a bit bigger than the avarage human thats it they would be about 5'11'' at least[/quote] Master Chief is 6'11", Carter is 6'10", Emile is 6'10", Jun is 6'11".
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Brutes are like fighting a bear. They're stupid, but ferocious and unpredictable. Elites are strong too, but not as strong as Brutes. Also, Elites are smart, which makes them predictable. Overall, Brutes are the tougher enemy. Read [i]HeadHunters[/i] in [i]Halo Evolutions[/i]. The two SPARTAN-III's in the story discuss this. Anyway, the games don't do a good job of showing the ferocity of the Brutes. If you read the books, especially the short story: [i]Stomping on the Heels of a Fuss[/i] in [i]Halo Evolutions[/i], it displays the real [b]brut[/b]ality
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] XBLDragon029 In Fall of Reach, an Elite is a tough match for John, but ultimately about even. When he encounters a brute in First Strike he's pretty much completely overpowered and relies on more 'advanced' fighting skills - and anti-tank mines. Additionally, taller =/= stronger, if anything it makes them weaker - Brutes are built more like tanks.[/quote] Haha yeah AT mines that was pretty smart
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[quote] *Facepalm* Noble 6 is the same height as Master Chief, and that picture says 7'4".[/quote] first off super quote and no SPARTAN IIIs are just a bit bigger than the avarage human thats it they would be about 5'11'' at least [Edited on 01.13.2011 7:15 PM PST]
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think about it brutes are twice the size of an elite but will never have near the martial prowess of the sanghelli
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] grey101 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] anton1792 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] the n00b pwner [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] anton1792 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] the n00b pwner Where did it say elites were 7'2"? That would make them only 2 inches taller than a spartan, which is obviously not the case.[/quote] The Bestiarium and the Encyclopaedia.[/quote] The encyclopedia says 7'4" and Bestiarium says 8'6". In reach it is much closer to the 8'6".[/quote] [url=http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx283/Anton1792/Games/BE2.jpg]Bottom left hand corner[/url].[/quote] Remember that in reach you aren't a SII, so they seem larger[/quote] *Facepalm* Noble 6 is the same height as Master Chief, and that picture says 7'4".
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Wrath Vengence [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Swiftkillswitch3 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Wrath Vengence [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Swiftkillswitch3 Brutes=tanks with supreme strength and extreme senses. Elites=speedy, stealthy, honorable fighters with undying skill and passion. Both nearly had John killed. One a Zealot and then and a Brute Major.[/quote] Where did MC just about die from a Zealot?[/quote] [i]First Strike.[/i] I recall when he's fighting the Black Zealot in Zero-G. It nearly slices him open with the sword and he then snaps its wrist or something and struggles for minutes before killing it.[/quote] That zealot is the Arbiter i believe, well before he was the Arbiter. [/quote] That wasn't the Arbiter. And the Brutes evolved on a planet with twice as much gravity as Earth's. The range for the heights of elites range from 7ft to 8ft 6 inches. While Brutes stand at an average of 8ft 6inches.
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Brutes are physically stronger than Elites are. Elites, however, are better warriors because they don't fight among themselves and use superior tactics in skirmishes. Plus it helps being more agile and having better armor.
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brutes are stronger but they lack the brains
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i agree go read halo first strike john almost dies by a group
