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12/16/2010 9:53:06 AM
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Did Dr. Halsey dislike the Spartan-IIIs , because...(Spoilers)
unlike her Spartan-IIs which were augmented and guided by her in the past and knowing each candidate since they were kids,
the Spartan-IIIs she met (Noble team, except Jorge) was quite shocking moment for her, as she never knew of the existence of a Spartan-III project.
She described the Spartan III's as much younger than her Spartan-II's and the armor they were wearing had field modifications, something she wanted to avoid as she developed MJOLNIR as a modular armor system.
She was wondering whether they are also Spartan-II's because she desribed them as non-elegant appearing and assume they are inferior Spartan-II's or maybe product of a possible parallel project called JAVELIN.
She even did not know about the existince of the Noble team before the Visegard Relais station incident on Reach which lead to Winter Contigency.
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Jorge is NOT Halsey's son. Turn on SUBTITLES and when he says "mom" you will see that he's actually saying "Ma'am" but with an accent.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] the real miker [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] fpsbcheezit [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] the real miker Doesn't matter. Halsey(with more clearance than Noble probably) must have read all of Noble's files. It's actually confirmed in the trailer before the game is released when she descibes all of Noble team. Then she must've know they weren't 'her' Spartans and therefore were 'manufactured' behind her back. Knowing this, the entire goose-chase she goes on at the end of First Strike and leads to Onyx makes NO SENSE.[/quote] I didn't disagree with you. [/quote] I was just trying to say the Easter Egg doesn't matter ;)[/quote] Which I already stated at the end of my post. [Edited on 12.16.2010 4:05 AM PST]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Alexthekid3000 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] manwith [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Alexthekid3000 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] the real miker What I'd like to know is this. After The Fall Of Reach Halsey finds docs/links to the SIII project and starts to wonder what they mean and ends up going to Onyx to find out.. She doesn't even know they exist even though she's seen a bunch of em(Noble) during The Fall Of Reach.. Plot hole?[/quote] or the book writers just fail.[/quote] Or people like you just fail to understand that Halsey didn't know Noble Team were from the Spartan-III program.[/quote] She did though. So that means the books are not canon.[/quote] Books are canon. The think is that it is hard to make up a new story to fit it the Halo Universe with alot of stuffs already in it. So they just had to "overwrite" the current "facts".
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] manwith She was jealous that Noble Six has a better rating than her Spartans and the fact she doesn't know anything about Spartan-IIIs.[/quote] Master Cheif? :|
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] the real miker [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] manwith [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Alexthekid3000 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] the real miker What I'd like to know is this. After The Fall Of Reach Halsey finds docs/links to the SIII project and starts to wonder what they mean and ends up going to Onyx to find out.. She doesn't even know they exist even though she's seen a bunch of em(Noble) during The Fall Of Reach.. Plot hole?[/quote] or the book writers just fail.[/quote] Or people like you just fail to understand that Halsey didn't know Noble Team were from the Spartan-III program.[/quote] Could be. But she knows all of 'her' Spartans names. That and I'm sure she's read their files.. Otherwise, how could Cortana make any sort of decision? Maybe you fail to understand that Bungie pretty much went aloop with the entire background story the books layed down..[/quote] Well Halsey had pictures of them in her Lab. Though; that's only in the easter egg. Which I assume isn't canon. [/quote] Doesn't matter. Halsey(with more clearance than Noble probably) must have read all of Noble's files. It's actually confirmed in the trailer before the game is released when she descibes all of Noble team. Then she must've know they weren't 'her' Spartans and therefore were 'manufactured' behind her back. Knowing this, the entire goose-chase she goes on at the end of First Strike and leads to Onyx makes NO SENSE.[/quote] Anyone who has read Halsey's Journal must find your post funny. Or maybe funny is not the right word.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] fpsbcheezit [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] the real miker Doesn't matter. Halsey(with more clearance than Noble probably) must have read all of Noble's files. It's actually confirmed in the trailer before the game is released when she descibes all of Noble team. Then she must've know they weren't 'her' Spartans and therefore were 'manufactured' behind her back. Knowing this, the entire goose-chase she goes on at the end of First Strike and leads to Onyx makes NO SENSE.[/quote] I didn't disagree with you. [/quote] I was just trying to say the Easter Egg doesn't matter ;)
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] dere373 you do realise that the S-III didnt even exist until like ooh i say right before halo 2 takes place...[/quote] LOL at this xD the answer to this thread has been posted. nice & fresh thread.
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You guys should read the "ghost of onyx" it will answer all these questions and more. Its a good read. Spartan051 of the spartan 2 project. AKA Kurt was promoted to LT Comander and was put in charge of the Spartan 3 program along with Chief Mendez (who actually trained the first batch of spartans) Dr. Halsey was upset that ONI took her research and mass produced the spartans. The selection process was expodited and the correct precautions were overlooked. Was just a few reasons she was upset. Read the books. Its great info in the halo universe! [Edited on 12.16.2010 3:43 AM PST]
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OH MY GOD, JORGE DOES NOT SAY "MUM/MOM" He says "Ma'am". It's his accent. Sheeeeeeeesh, so tired of hearing that. Put subtitles on if you're that confused
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] the real miker Doesn't matter. Halsey(with more clearance than Noble probably) must have read all of Noble's files. It's actually confirmed in the trailer before the game is released when she descibes all of Noble team. Then she must've know they weren't 'her' Spartans and therefore were 'manufactured' behind her back. Knowing this, the entire goose-chase she goes on at the end of First Strike and leads to Onyx makes NO SENSE.[/quote] I didn't disagree with you.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] fpsbcheezit [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] the real miker [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] manwith [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Alexthekid3000 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] the real miker What I'd like to know is this. After The Fall Of Reach Halsey finds docs/links to the SIII project and starts to wonder what they mean and ends up going to Onyx to find out.. She doesn't even know they exist even though she's seen a bunch of em(Noble) during The Fall Of Reach.. Plot hole?[/quote] or the book writers just fail.[/quote] Or people like you just fail to understand that Halsey didn't know Noble Team were from the Spartan-III program.[/quote] Could be. But she knows all of 'her' Spartans names. That and I'm sure she's read their files.. Otherwise, how could Cortana make any sort of decision? Maybe you fail to understand that Bungie pretty much went aloop with the entire background story the books layed down..[/quote] Well Halsey had pictures of them in her Lab. Though; that's only in the easter egg. Which I assume isn't canon. [/quote] Doesn't matter. Halsey(with more clearance than Noble probably) must have read all of Noble's files. It's actually confirmed in the trailer before the game is released when she descibes all of Noble team. Then she must've know they weren't 'her' Spartans and therefore were 'manufactured' behind her back. Knowing this, the entire goose-chase she goes on at the end of First Strike and leads to Onyx makes NO SENSE because at that point she already knows there are Spartan III's. [Edited on 12.16.2010 3:38 AM PST]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] the real miker [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Alexthekid3000 She was pissed off that ONI and UNSC took HER program and used it without her permission... Well, in her eyes anyways.[/quote] Not only that, but they watered her project down and 'wasted' Spartan lives sending them on suicide missions. On the other hand, there was no time/resources for another SII run.[/quote] S-IIIs was one ex-S-II (Kurt) and a whole lot of orphans from the outer colonies that were given a speedy version of what the S-IIs got... which seemed to work out well for a little while. Long enough for S-117 to come along and be like "Okay, I will save the universe now."
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] manwith [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Alexthekid3000 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] the real miker What I'd like to know is this. After The Fall Of Reach Halsey finds docs/links to the SIII project and starts to wonder what they mean and ends up going to Onyx to find out.. She doesn't even know they exist even though she's seen a bunch of em(Noble) during The Fall Of Reach.. Plot hole?[/quote] or the book writers just fail.[/quote] Or people like you just fail to understand that Halsey didn't know Noble Team were from the Spartan-III program.[/quote] She did though. So that means the books are not canon.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] fpsbcheezit [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] CBT1979 yeah, Jorge called her mom, because she treated him like his own boy, as all Spartan candidates were take away from their families. The only child Dr. Halsey has is Commander Miranda Keyes who later died on the Ark in the events of Halo 3 when she tried to rescue Sgt. Johnson and stop the Halo ignition.[/quote] He did not call her mom. Go watch the legendary dev. commentary. They even state he says Ma'am. You're not very educated in the Haloverse are you?[/quote] His accent can deceive! Anyways, John-117 was actually the closest to Dr Halsey.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] the real miker [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] manwith [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Alexthekid3000 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] the real miker What I'd like to know is this. After The Fall Of Reach Halsey finds docs/links to the SIII project and starts to wonder what they mean and ends up going to Onyx to find out.. She doesn't even know they exist even though she's seen a bunch of em(Noble) during The Fall Of Reach.. Plot hole?[/quote] or the book writers just fail.[/quote] Or people like you just fail to understand that Halsey didn't know Noble Team were from the Spartan-III program.[/quote] Could be. But she knows all of 'her' Spartans names. That and I'm sure she's read their files.. Otherwise, how could Cortana make any sort of decision? Maybe you fail to understand that Bungie pretty much went aloop with the entire background story the books layed down..[/quote] Well Halsey had pictures of them in her Lab. Though; that's only in the easter egg. Which I assume isn't canon.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] manwith [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Alexthekid3000 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] the real miker What I'd like to know is this. After The Fall Of Reach Halsey finds docs/links to the SIII project and starts to wonder what they mean and ends up going to Onyx to find out.. She doesn't even know they exist even though she's seen a bunch of em(Noble) during The Fall Of Reach.. Plot hole?[/quote] or the book writers just fail.[/quote] Or people like you just fail to understand that Halsey didn't know Noble Team were from the Spartan-III program.[/quote] Could be. But she knows all of 'her' Spartans names. That and I'm sure she's read Noble's files.. Otherwise, how could Cortana make any sort of decision? Maybe you fail to understand that Bungie pretty much went aloop with the entire background story the books layed down.. [Edited on 12.16.2010 3:33 AM PST]
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you do realise that the S-III didnt even exist until like ooh i say right before halo 2 takes place...
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this thread is like a breath of fresh air. So glad not everybody on here flames about armor lock and has more interesting things to say about halo.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] CBT1979 yeah, Jorge called her mom, because she treated him like his own boy, as all Spartan candidates were take away from their families. The only child Dr. Halsey has is Commander Miranda Keyes who later died on the Ark in the events of Halo 3 when she tried to rescue Sgt. Johnson and stop the Halo ignition.[/quote] He did not call her mom. Go watch the legendary dev. commentary. They even state he says Ma'am. You're not very educated in the Haloverse are you?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Alexthekid3000 She was pissed off that ONI and UNSC took HER program and used it without her permission... Well, in her eyes anyways.[/quote] Not only that, but they watered her project down and 'wasted' Spartan lives sending them on suicide missions. On the other hand, there was no time/resources for another SII run.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Alexthekid3000 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] the real miker What I'd like to know is this. After The Fall Of Reach Halsey finds docs/links to the SIII project and starts to wonder what they mean and ends up going to Onyx to find out.. She doesn't even know they exist even though she's seen a bunch of em(Noble) during The Fall Of Reach.. Plot hole?[/quote] or the book writers just fail.[/quote] Or people like you just fail to understand that Halsey didn't know Noble Team were from the Spartan-III program.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] the real miker What I'd like to know is this. After The Fall Of Reach Halsey finds docs/links to the SIII project and starts to wonder what they mean and ends up going to Onyx to find out.. She doesn't even know they exist even though she's seen a bunch of em(Noble) during The Fall Of Reach.. Plot hole?[/quote] or the book writers just fail.
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She was pissed off that ONI and UNSC took HER program and used it without her permission... Well, in her eyes anyways.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Puz3les She was jealous because nearly all of them died.[/quote] Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Snap!
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Dr. Halsey likely has a problem with the S3's because of the way ONI went about it. Her S2 program was designed to create soldiers that could take on missions that were nigh impossible and have a good chance of survival. The S3 program was a cheap copy, with less training and augmentation, to produce suicide soldiers. The whole S3 program was never meant to have a high mission survival rate (or any survivors) at all... something she was patently against. She felt that they used her research to do a hugely immoral act, in addition to stealing kids for the program, which she had regrets about doing in her program. Also, as Ackerman was in some sort of political battle with her she would naturally have some misgivings about "his" soldiers. Take these things together and it explains her reaction to them.
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guessing re writes will fill in the plot holes with more transparent facts
