go into a private pvp with a friend, use scatter nades with controlled demo, nade his feet. tell me you dont play pvp without telling me you dont play pvp. also, as a signed, i play warlock in pvp, hunter in pve. its not any other classes fault if titans have always been super strong and/or have no risk high reward abilities or exotics. maybe they get nerfed for a reason? I even stated i dont care about YAS PvP viability, i (and so many others) want it back for PvE specifically as it was a truly exotic exotic that changes how you play like wormgods, controverse, falling sunstar, doomfang, no backup plans, strongholds, perigrines, abyants, briarbinds, felwinters helm, i can continue. in pve YAS is purely cosmetic and thats an issue. Hunters need more than just dps phase exotics. I have used bubble peacekeepers and its the easiest flawless cards of my life by far and i suck at tracking aim in every game i play. once again, only class that can run around with extra health, only class that has an exotic that boosts both movement and a weapon type. on top of that, the weapon type boosted allow missed shots with little to no punishment on ttk, miss a handcannon shot, pulse shot, for example and ttk shoots down and you lose, not so with smgs. if you lose to another class on titan it is 100% a skill issue, its wild that titan players can't see that.