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8/12/2022 7:54:02 PM
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you may not wanna hear this but
pre-charging is a skill you have to develop. Not everybody is good enough to just do that.
Meanwhile, anyone who can look in the opponents general direction can use a shotgun. In an ease of use contest, nothing beats shotguns. That has always been how it is.
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It’s harder to close a gap with a shotgun than it is to “learn to precharge” 😂
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"hmmm today I will wait at a corner until someone is too close to reasonably react" the classic shotgun play. Even if your bs about closing the gap were true, which I could give you plenty of reasons why it isn't, you don't need to close the gap. Stand somewhere the enemy NEEDS to go, and they can't push you without dying.
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Lmao no map is that tight 🤷♂️ Im not delusional. You’re just bad and biased… and it’s easy to tell cause only bad players think camping with a shotgun works 😂
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[quote]Lmao no map is that tight 🤷♂️[/quote] Ok... Javelin-4 The Cauldron The Anomaly Wormhaven Burnout Rusted Lands Bannerfall Endless Vale Pacifica (And just to name off the vaulted ones) Retribution Meltdown Solitude Gamblers Ruin Hell even -blam!- [b][i]CONJUNCTION[/i][/b] is tight.
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“Tight enough” All those maps you can take wide angles and punish shotgun players… Learn to play
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Edited by Dredgen Truth: 8/12/2022 8:16:23 PMIf youre playing an objective mode, say, idk, cap zone trials, or holding down a tiebreaker in base trials, the enemy is forced to push you. Camping with a shotgun is optimal for that scenario. And your need to resort to namecalling only makes your argument look worse.
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No it’s not 😂 Since most zones are wide open you can’t even properly hold a lane unless you ARENT capping and “sitting in a corner” not helping your team lane is just a giant detriment to your team… Trials is 3v3 elimination. Plenty of time to NOT rush into the shotgun and take a wide angle with a fusion and melt him before he gets close 🤷♂️ You think me saying the truth is name calling? Lmaooooooo You’re just objectively wrong and it’s a skill issue clearly 🤷♂️
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Edited by Dredgen Truth: 8/12/2022 8:26:07 PMPlenty of visual obstructions a half intelligent shotgunner can use to stop you from firing at them while they force you to rush a zone And if youre as good as you seem to think you are you should know that If you keep needing to say "Im not biased, skill issue, skill issue" that tells me nothing but you are biased.
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You can’t provide a good argument 😂 There aren’t many visual obstructions around corners in ANY map. That shotgun user will die every time. You’re arguments just keep getting worse and worse 😂 Im good enough to know that a fusion beat a shotgun 1v1 9/10 times 😂 Shotgun maybe mesh better with primary play as they are really good at finishing people off… but shotgun vs fusion the fusion takes it 9/10 times and they are only losing that 1 time due to user error 😂 It’s a skill issue cause it is 🤷♂️. There is a 24/7 radar. Absolutely no cap, heavy spawn, or choke point in any map is tight enough that you can’t take a wide angle against a shotgun. And shotguns need to be so close nowadays that you’ll have plenty of time to charge if you somehow weren’t precharging 🤷♂️
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Ah yes [i]I[/i] cant provide any good arguments. Said by the person whose argument has essentially been "you're wrong" and nothing else, while I am at least making a point. Im not sure if your crutching on shotguns or have some kind of hate on for fusions but the bias is clear to see. And if youre having that much trouble with fusions, maybe youre the one with the skill issue.
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“They can hold a corner” Take a wide angle… precharge… “They can camp” There is a radar. Simple map knowledge and boom. They are dead… “They can close the distance” Again… you have a radar… they can’t do it without you knowing and some simple map knowledge and all they are doing is walking into your burst… Im using everything but shotguns now. Glaives, Sidearms, and Fusions cause shotguns are lack luster now. I am also just a better player in every sense of the word. You are wrong and are just too bad to see it 🤷♂️ Yes [i][b][u]YOU[/u][/b][/i] lack an argument cause you’re arguments are easily countered with what USUALLY happens when a player is just paying attention and isn’t dumb 🤷♂️
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Your argument is easily countered with this: Stop expecting the shotgun player to be stupider than you. Youre acting as if youre the only one who can move or make counterplays. They can too. Of course, a stupid shotgunner won't, but the same is true for any idiot no matter what weapon they are using. There are a variety of factors in which a shotgunner can get an easy advantage, and intelligent use of a variety of them will often get them a win. The fact that they are uncontestable within their effective range is what makes them so easy to use. You speak about effective positioning and radar as if the shotgun doesnt have the exact same tools. And saying "im better so youre wrong" is the most "i havent left my mothers basement" argument ive ever heard.
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Edited by Unbrandedpie: 8/12/2022 8:52:08 PMI don’t expect the shotgun player to be dumber though. A smart shotgun player isn’t gonna challenge. They will switch to a primary instead and MAYBE push once they put a couple of shots in 😁 All of those tools help a fusion fight a shotgun more than it helps the shotgun fight the fusion. Keep trying though 😁 The only way a shotgun will close the gap against a fusion without using their primary is Mask of Bakris and even then they can get fusion killed out of it 🤷♂️
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[quote] All of those tools help a fusion fight a shotgun more than it helps the shotgun fight the fusion. [/quote] They really don't. You wanna know why? Where fusions beat shotguns in range, they have one significant downside that shotguns don't. Now, should be pretty -blam!- obvious that it's the charge time. But I don't think you understand just how much of a problem that charge time actually is. Firstly, yes, learning to pre charge is a skill. It's a skill any experienced fusion user picks up really damn quickly, but it is a skill nonetheless. I don't think that's contestable, and that's not a point I think anybody who isn't biased against fusions will ever concede to you. And secondly, since shotguns damage comes out instantly rather than after a charge, it allows much more effective use of movement options. Icarus dash, hunter dodge, any of the multiple hunter dives, blink, the works. All these things would interrupt a fusion rifle, meaning you can't pre charge out of them, but a shotgun doesn't need to pre charge. If you are within a distance where effective use of these things will put you right next to somebody, you win.
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Lmao. Fusions have “charge time as a skill”. And shotguns have closing the range… Dope…Shotguns have instant damage that is useless cause they aren’t in range… and shotguns can’t do a damn thing until they get in range… meanwhile on their way there they have BEEN inside a fusions kill range even if they didn’t precharge 😂
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Fusions also have closing the range, in case you weren't aware. They aren't literal sniper rifles, where they'll kill no matter the distance. The tradeoff between the two weapons is one gets instant damage for a smaller effective range, one gets a larger effective range but you need to actually aim at someone rather than in their general direction and also charge it up. They both have different win conditions, either one can win if they play it right. And, again, you make closing the distance sound harder than it is. It's pathetic to do if you're playing intelligently, of course, certain larger maps like midtown excluded where it is reasonable to claim it's actually that difficult.
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Yes they do. One SUBSTANTIALLY larger than a shotguns. Fusions are just like shotgun. They don’t require crits. They both either take or lack the same aim requirements 🤦♂️ No. Fusions hard counter shotguns 1 on 1… A shotgun won’t win without using their primary 🤷♂️
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Ok wow dude you just hard showed your lack of knowledge on the subject Shotguns have a spread, so long as a certain amount of pellets hit the target, it doesn't need to be all of them, they will die within its effective range. It's not aiming as much as it is an airburst directly in front of you. Fusions fire bolts, bolts that go directly where the weapon is being aimed, rather than in a spread around the point at which you're aiming. Meaning the aim requirement is higher, despite the fact that there are no crits. Like how could you mess up something that basic dude.
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Lmao. Bolts that don’t require crits or all bolts to hit and spread as well. You done being dumb?
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you have no idea how funny you are do you like you are THE stereotype
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You’ve been wrong. Proven wrong. Have exposed your bias… but think I’m the one that looks bad 😂
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Yeah, I do think you look bad because you do now since you clearly never intended on having any kind of intellectually honest discussion and I'm getting really tired of this whole back and forth of "*provides actual argument*" "lol you're just bad and biased," why don't you go back to whatever it is you do to feel better about yourself while I go and do literally anything more productive? Ok? Good. Have fun, see you again never.
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You already lost and never showed any intellect. But cause I’m petty and to prove I was right. https://destinytracker.com/destiny-2/profile/bungie/4611686018455968943/overview That’s what I mean by skill issue. You are mediocre at best and don’t understand simple encounters
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holy crap I can't believe you are that lacking in self awareness you realize that when you post somebody's stats, unless it was because they were making a claim about how good they were, all that does is make you look bad right? Like you are the person that everyone ridicules You are the reason bungie doesn't take these forums seriously You feel insecure about losing an argument and you feel the need to look up their stats to validate some bias you have. Big man here, thinking he's so much better than me. You're the only one who gives a crap about the stats, and they are irrelevant to any argument here.
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Only bad players thinks it makes people look bad 😂 I can’t expect you to understand stuff beyond your comprehension 🤷♂️
