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8/9/2021 6:16:25 AM
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Ignore the top 10% pvp players.
What is more important, Youtubers/sweats getting fast queues or the overall playerbase getting a fair and fun experience?
What makes you more money as a company?
Overall player satisfaction is more important than the opinions of people that sit at the top.
Destiny 2 is a casual game, there is no competitive PVP, and if you think there is, go look at games like COD4 Promod, and look what that mod did for the games competitive scene. No perks, No bullshit on weapons, Just straight up player skill and map knowledge determined who was better.
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32 RepliesThe top ten are the biggest cheaters. Dont think they dont. They got something going on. Using macros and bots undetectable and the like. Bungie keeps them cuz its kind of a cash cow for them and bungie likes Uncle Ben. People who cheat in video games are pathetic at best.
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4 RepliesSorry that you’re getting pooped on because you’re deciding to run crucible with a survivors epitaph and a gnawing hunger expecting to do good.
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Pvp is F2P anyway and it serves no purpose other than sheer frustration for more than half the player base. They need to get rid of it and completely overhaul pve to incorporate the lore they always put in these long ass cards that only a couple people will read.
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3 RepliesNo one asked for a broken lobby balancing algorithm. Let me let you in on a not secret stat. Casual Players Do NOT play any more with SBMM than they do with CBMM. THATS A FACT. Casuals still play their 3 games on their characters and dip. Every single week. Until they’re at max power and then stop all together. And your point about it not being competitive…lol Then why are you wanting it to be something it’s not? There’s absolutely no reason valor should have SBMM other than your feelings. Its QuickPlay…. Nothing to play for other than casual play. This is NOT CBMM. This is a crappy Lobby Balancing system that Doesn’t Work and it’s been broken from the start.
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What makes them more money? Content creators and their fans. Sad truth of it and I despise it lol.
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Edited by Noobie Noobcakes: 8/9/2021 7:39:11 PMAside from Gambit (yes, I'm one of "those" --I actually like gambit and enjoy most of my matches despite its flaws), I ignore this game's PvP almost completely. Destiny PvP just... ... (Wait for it) [spoiler][i]Isn't very good.[/i][/spoiler] And that's putting it charitably, so I don't risk getting forum-banned by saying what I [i]really[/i] think of it, and/or some of its community..
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I don’t wanna be ignored ;-;
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22 RepliesEdited by AtomicBaconBits: 8/9/2021 7:33:39 PMPvP doesn't make money for this game, so they neglect it. And I'm fine with that. Get mad. On another note, Rift is coming back and they're un-vaulting 4 maps over the release of Witch Queen. Though that will probably make up for the ones they vault.
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“Don’t listen to the people that play the game more! Listen to the players that play it for thirty minutes a day!” Ah yes. Solid argument, but you’re wrong.
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5 RepliesI’m a top 500 player in Trials and tbh a lot of other top players get mad about the meta but don’t understand that a good player will still be good no matter the meta. The meta will always change and you just gotta chill and enjoy it until the next meta.
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So ignore the only people that play PVP with any consistency? LOL
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21 RepliesI don’t know what more average players would want. They nerf everything in this game that has a skill gap (shotguns, movement and hand cannons) yet the average player still isn’t pleased and now the top 10% are pissed as well because of these nerfs. What you need to understand is people like you, average players, Will always complain about the game no matter what. I’m starting to hate this game because people that probably do pvp once a week are having such a big say in how the games sandbox is and it’s annoying because these type of players don’t fully understand how this game works. It’s ruining the game for many players that play this game primarily for the crucible. Bungie needs to show it’s dedicated players more love because I think dedicated players could shape this game much better than average players and even Bungie developers that hardly step in the crucible.
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37 RepliesThe only way to get better is to play with and against better players. The better they are, the faster one learns. You get nowhere playing against people of equal or lesser skill level. There is no easy mode in this game. You can't compare Destiny PvP to other games. If you don't want to go up against better players, be it the top 10% or not, then this may not be the game for you.
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Can we get a freelance in every mode? I used to think it was a bad idea but im tired of facing off against 5 or 6 stacks who sweat quickplay control.
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9 RepliesSo here is the thing. What's the point of a 5 to 7 minute que time if matches still end in mercy? That was my experience when sbmm was on. I'd wait 5 to 7 mins to get a locked lobby. Another minute just to start actual combat so that's 8 mins. Then the match would mercy in 3 mins with a 50/50 chance of win loss. That's absurd and made no sense. The real problem is folks who chose not to improve even in the slightest bit and throw away matches my either leaving or AFK. There will always be that group of players who won't be happy and that's fine. Everyone wanted freelance iron banner and we got it. Guess what I see there in F.L. IB? AFK players and players who get booted for inactivity.
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70 RepliesThe fact that idiots still think this game is catered towards the top 10% or streamers is laughable. This theory lacks logic and just makes you look dumb as -blam!-.
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4 RepliesIf you think this game caters to the top percentile of PvP players, then you aren't in the top percentile of PvP players. Don't complain about shit that you don't know anything about.
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PERFECT
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5 RepliesEdited by ShrewdShogun: 8/10/2021 3:59:01 AMIn case you're advocating SBMM: SBMM resulted in one thing and one thing only: Latency. If there's another player with the same KD who has had relatively similar success over their last 25-50 matches BUT they live in a completely different hemisphere then why the **** would I want to be matched with them? Because that's all that SBMM did...giving me laggy games. A wise player who wanted positive change would request a [b]HYBRID[/b] system taking into account geo location and skill disparity. It doesn't need to be one or the other for crying out loud.
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47 RepliesI'm assuming this post is regarding matchmaking. If so: [quote]What is more important, Youtubers/sweats getting fast queues or the overall playerbase getting a fair and fun experience?[/quote] Every game of Destiny is "fair" unless you are claiming better players guardians have bonus abilities? Overshields? Weapon damage? No? Then guess what it's fair. A player that is inept at pvp is not entitled to segregated que - crucible isn't a safe space or a participation trophy gametype, you want to be at the higher end of the scoreboard? Work on it. [quote]What makes you more money as a company? Overall player satisfaction is more important than the opinions of people that sit at the top.[/quote] Seeing that SBMM periods have had the lowest pvp populations ever seen it seems like cbmm makes bungie the most money... [quote]Destiny 2 is a casual game[/quote] Which is exactly why mm is the way it is.... [quote]there is no competitive PVP[/quote] I mean there is survival which is destiny 2s "comp" playlist
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Um....?
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To ignore a position of your player base is just wrong. Just because I have more time to play the game and improve I should just be ignored? Do you see how hollow your points are?
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14 RepliesEdited by michael: 8/9/2021 5:14:02 PMIm well within the top 1% and for the past year or so I have been in favour of SBMM, at least in moderation. I don't agree with the sandbox being catered to low skilled players and punishing people who put time into the game, for example the slide nerf. The pace of the game keeps getting slowed down so that low skilled players can keep up which makes no sense to me. They wouldn't need to do this if matchmaking was better for low skilled players, but because CBMM is in every playlist they have to be in these punishing lobbies where they get steam rolled and stand no chance and that makes no sense either. Give casual players a fair environment to improve in, but do not change the game to make the gap between high and low skilled players smaller. Yes it is true that this game in general has a low skill gap and is not competitive, but by no means does this equate to "weapons and abilities need to have bare minimum ease of use and require as little mechanical skill as possible and all forms of movement should be punishable so that low skill players stand a chance" which is the direction we are currently going in. There should still be some incentive to actually get good at the game.
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1 ReplyEdited by Demon_XXVII: 8/10/2021 4:10:01 AMNothing ‘skill wise’ can be judged as true - not when Destiny runs on peer to peer/30Hz tic & meta perks that fool the hit detection/frame rate Until [b]any[/b] FPS has dedicated net code, a proper anti-cheat & at least 60Hz dedicated servers can any one know if that shot actually landed - or it was just favourable packet routing, or hacks/3rd party peripheral help
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1 ReplyEdited by A Traffic Cone: 8/10/2021 3:47:52 PMD2 is not a casual game. It's for grinders. The come and go population shouldn't have any say over what happens in this game. The ones who are on it every day should be listened too more
