I am not a world class Crucible player, but I hold my own, usually finish in the top 3 and have won many, many games . . . but . . . No catalyst for either of these weapons. I have friends that don't play crucible unless they have too for a quest or exotic or something, and they got one or the other in just a few matches. I can't get them to save my life. Are they bugged, is there something in particular that needs to be done, a specific load out, or . . . SOMETHING! Anyone have any feed back on this?