I’ve got an idea of how “discussion” would go based on my past 2 attempts. 1. When I was very unhappy with well nerf rumors, I mentioned it to the clan and they seemed easily swayed for it. When they said pve was easy and it was a crutch, I merely asked why they don’t have a high triumph score and why do they have requirements for clan raids etc. Admin/founders basically said “who cares/it’s our rules” so I elaborated further but they wouldn’t hear it, instead they were using a friend of theirs, that likes to but in and looked for any attempt at insulting that friend as an attack. This had nothing to do with me thinking my opinion is was absolute or some nonsense. They were unwilling to stand being called out for their excuses, and let their upset of feeling stupid show through how they treated me. Even a guy that saw what I said could only blame me for giving him a headache. CONTINUED

I wish I could upvote this more than once.

[quote][quote]1. Don't complain to Bungie on the weekends or holidays. Bungie people go to the pub or see their families. (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EBVyjaRWkAAvjIQ.jpg)[/quote] Their fault for having an open connection to the Internet and letting people communicate with them on personal social media. Should have considered that before making all of these poor decisions. [quote]2. Bungie people prefer to use reddit over bungie.net for good reasons as its a better platform to keep track of feedback or find posts, and it's less of a salt mine compared to B.net. (Have an account on Reddit.com)[/quote] It should not matter where the feedback comes from. At all. Plus, this forum came first and should be treated as the more direct platform to communicate with Bungie. The only reason it ISN'T is because the devs don't want to have a presence here due to not wanting to be told the truth of their poor decisions. [quote]3. Don't try to criticize them or call them idiots. They are more likely to actually listen to you if you treat them with respect, and are interested in them or helping them. (People usually act defensive or stubborn if you criticize them. Just don't act "company worshiping"). [/quote] This part? F*ck this part. They are a professional game developer. They are not infallible and they deserve to hear every piece of feedback from every source. What you are suggesting here is to not tell them what they are doing wrong or they are going to clam up like children, with arms crossed and a big fat pout on their faces. Forget that. I'll tell them how shit their lack of new armor for the base game vendors is all I want. [quote]4. Use what you can to get on top without making a mess.[/quote] No vendor refresh or new armor/weapons for EDZ, Titan, Nessus, Io, Mercury, Mars, Tangled Shore, Dreaming City or the Tower. No factions. No new activity variations or events for Escalation Protocol, Black Armory Forges, Menagerie and STILL no new Infinite Forest activity outside of Holiday Events. Paid Seasonal Content (except armor and weapons) being removed after every Season. Everything that was good about Shadowkeep is pointless when the necessary shit that needs doing is not being done. Bungie need to just [b]stop[/b] with this weird decision-making process. It started with the reboot in 2013, it happened with every release associated with D2 and it is afflicting this DLC right now. It's garbage. All of it, hot stinking garbage.[/quote] Well he was right about #2.

Doesn't mean that we should have to go to Reddit. That's lame.

[quote]Doesn't mean that we should have to go to Reddit. That's lame.[/quote] You don’t have to go to Reddit, but you should be respectful. Too many bandwagon destiny haters on this forum. Of course they don’t want to pay attention to it. Criticize the game and provide actual feedback, not “screw bungo” and “the game is garbage.”

When a game I paid to play exposes my IP address to people who commit federal cyber crimes (i.e. DDoSing), then yes, I have a right as a paying customer/consumer to be a _tad_ salty about Bungie, especially since nowhere in the packaging for the game, or descriptions of the game on their own download page, mentions the fact that this game runs on 'hybrid peer-to-peer' and as such, leaves me vulnerable to getting DDoSed. If I'd known that before I bought the game, I wouldn't have bought the game. Or if I had bought the game, I'd at least know to play through a VPN.

Yeah, I am all for that. Simply just saying the game sucks without explaining why does nothing.

I've seen almost no posts where people just post 'D2 stinks, Bungie stinks' type of one-line posts/threads without saying why, and I've been on the forums for a few years. Even when it's just a short rant, people still explain what part of the game they are having an issue with, and why, and even if they can't articulate exactly what is happening (not everyone is cognizant of the minutiae of game development), it's clearly a fault with the way Bungie designed, coded, implemented their own game.