EP shotgun is the equivalent of black hammer in D1, they’ll probably just end up turning it into an exotic somehow; destroying the legendary version so it’s unusable. Probably have the gun be infected with Siva and it ends up destroyed. I’d rather it be an exotic than to have it completely nerfed, it deserves the exotic slot. Or they can just keep it as it is and make it a heavy weapon instead just as it was in year 1 . They’re going to take one of these 3 routes.
1) nerf trench barrel
2) make it an exotic weapon
Or 3) move it to the power slot
Because as it stands now its 100% the best energy weapon in the game, even stronger than most heavy weapons , least as PVE is concerned. Not using it is basically a handicap to yourself and your team, especially in gambit. I’d personally rather them leave the gun alone and just turn it into an exotic that keeping its signature perk intact. But on the other hand, if they do nerf it, Lunas Howl and not forgotten will be next ( pvp) and then every pinnacle weapon forwards. This is exactly what happens when Bungie creates Legendary weapons that not only outclass every legendary but majority of exotics as well simply for how much damage they deal. And its not the weapons fault either, its the fact that damn near every legendary and majority of exotics aren’t even strong to begin with. Atleast with Rederix claymore/ broadsword you had to physically get a kill in order to proc its perk; this is the biggest reason why Lunas and the Ikelos shotgun especially are so strong. If they both worked the same way as rampage or even kill clip ( by getting a kill first) no one would feel like they’re handicapped by not having/ using them. Yes, both guns have insane damage fall off but in their intended ranges nothing in the game comes close to damage when their perks proc. The only real solution INSTEAD of a straight nerf would be to make both weapons exotics. That way they can keep their lethality but are more situational to use.
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As well written your argument is I have to disagree it doesn’t need any tuning trench barrel cuts it’s damage range in half bosses stomp every 5-7 secs when ur in your melee range. Saying your basically handicapping your self by not running it is completely false there are tons of encounters ikelos is plan trash at. Comparing it to og blackhammer doesn’t make sense a it was a sniper with snipers range and b d1 bosses either didn’t move when u dps, had the crit spot the size of a box truck, or could be stun locked so they don’t move which gave it its stupid high dps potential And comparing it to gally well as I pointed out there are plenty of times not to run ikelos but if you had a gally in d1 heavyammo bricks were called gally shots
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Its already destroyed they made the stomp mechanic proc when you are within melee range or land a melee on boss and you get stomped dead or out of the fight. There is way more effective weapons at your disposal for boss fights, the weapon tinkering is so frustrating, i get why they need to do it in PVP you cant have 1 or 2 weapons dominating for months on end but PvE we are supposed to feel powerful and honestly i havent felt like that since Fatebringer, Black Hammer and Gally.
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It should just be left alone, it can't get mods to make it even stronger and like you said it is a pinnacle weapon, if you nerf it or make it an exotic it will lose alot of its usage due to it having to now out damage and range 1k voices, sleeper, whisper which it won't be able to do without a well being needed and that is if the boss doesn't smash you into a wall.
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When this shotgun and its perk is keeping all other y1 weapons from y2 mods, something needs tweaking.
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EP shotgun isn't what's doing that, that was Bungie because they wanted to promote the new weapons and random rolls and Bungie has stated this in videos before Forsaken launched.
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Ehh i dont buy it. They locked its damage to solar, NOT to try and promote new y2 weapon usage, but to keep it from being even more potent when paired with a tractor cannon.
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Yeah that and the sniper were locked to solar and tractor got a void damage nerf but now buffs all types, that doesn't mean they locked y1 weapons out of modern because of the EP shotgun that's just an untrue statement.
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I agree. Nothing else in the energy can deal as much damage, besides rampage x3.
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I’m not sure if max Rampage even compares, especially given how inconvenient and unsustainable that is.
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It would be cool if the tractor cannon/ void zenith of your kind combo i run on my warlock could keep up with my ikelos shotty damage, but it cant.
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I agree. Make it infected by Siva, give it a bonus perk to fit the Siva, make it exotic and a heavy weapon. Or keep it secondary idk.
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I think leaving the gun as it is but just making it an exotic is the best option. But, whatever they do to the EP Shotgun Lunas Howl will be targeted next, its just the natural flow of things. The better option I didn’t consider would be solely to have a legendary pinnacle weapon in every activity ( although the same problem will persist because owners will just use that over everything else). The only reason I mentioned it is because apparently Gambit will have a pinnacle weapon in season 5 that will pretty much be the best weapon in that game mode. Let the nerf posts commence 😭.
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Tbh they should make all these pinnacle weapons exotic... They're definitely strong enough. At least Luna and Not Forgotten are anyway. Not sure about Broadsword for PVP. Ikelos as an exotic would be great