Your entire argument falls apart do to the assumption that certain groups of people don't watch football...

[quote]Most of the idiots who are OK with kneeling during the anthem don't even watch football or any sports for that matter. You think SJWs care about sports? Hell no. They don't understand why most football fans dont want politics in the sport Sports are supposed to be about everyone coming together no matter the skin color or political views and everyone just watching the game rooting for their teams together. Adding political aspects such as kneeling for black lives matter isn't what people want to see. Its divisive Lastly, What good does a kneel do? What the hell does kneeling during the anthem do except piss people off and get everyone madder at each other than they were in the first place? [b]This protest is counter productive for fixing race relations[/b][/quote] Lol I'm a liberal and I am watching the game on right now. Just saw the Cowboys ram that ball into the endzone. But the kneeling during the anthem sparks conversations and gets people paying attention. Clearly it worked because our POTUS talked about it all weekend and now the whole nation is talking about it. I like how Trump's supporters constantly praise whenever he plays 56D underwater reverse Stratego and "starts conversations" by saying controversial things, but when NFL players do it they should be fired? K lol

Typical liberal rebuttal. I say "Most liberals don't" and you act as if I say "No Liberals". Did I say "No liberals watch football"???? Kneeling during the anthem has not sparked any constructive conversations. You guys have politicized a sport that most fans don't want politicized. You said you watched the Dallas game. So then surely you seen basically the entire crowd BOO the Dallas Cowboys when they were kneeling? Or how about the entire crowd booing the Steelers when they finally came on the field? Yeah Most people don't want to see this BS All this kneeling has done is divided Americans when sports like football was something that brought everyone together. But why am I surprised? Division is all Liberals are good at

[quote][quote]Most of the idiots who are OK with kneeling during the anthem don't even watch football or any sports for that matter. You think SJWs care about sports? Hell no. They don't understand why most football fans dont want politics in the sport Sports are supposed to be about everyone coming together no matter the skin color or political views and everyone just watching the game rooting for their teams together. Adding political aspects such as kneeling for black lives matter isn't what people want to see. Its divisive Lastly, What good does a kneel do? What the hell does kneeling during the anthem do except piss people off and get everyone madder at each other than they were in the first place? [b]This protest is counter productive for fixing race relations[/b][/quote] Lol I'm a liberal and I am watching the game on right now. Just saw the Cowboys ram that ball into the endzone. But the kneeling during the anthem sparks conversations and gets people paying attention. Clearly it worked because our POTUS talked about it all weekend and now the whole nation is talking about it. I like how Trump's supporters constantly praise whenever he plays 56D underwater reverse Stratego and "starts conversations" by saying controversial things, but when NFL players do it they should be fired? K lol[/quote] Lmao "conversations?" Have you looked at this thread? There are literally 0 constructive conversations about what happened. If people came together like you suggested and had conversations about stuff we never would have the political discourse we have now in America. You sound about as logically sound as a communist. "Oh but if only we all do everything for the greater good." "Oh but if we all only came together and had conversations" What the players did didn't just disrespect the flag, it disrespected all the men and women of all colors, creeds and religions who died for them so that they could play a game.

[quote]Lmao "conversations?" Have you looked at this thread? There are literally 0 constructive conversations about what happened. If people came together like you suggested and had conversations about stuff we never would have the political discourse we have now in America. You sound about as logically sound as a communist. "Oh but if only we all do everything for the greater good." "Oh but if we all only came together and had conversations" What the players did didn't just disrespect the flag, it disrespected all the men and women of all colors, creeds and religions who died for them so that they could play a game.[/quote] Because the true litmus test of whether or not a motion was successful is how Bungie's OffTopic posters reacted to it. Holy shit, man lol Ignoring the fact that this action by Trump clearly got a lot of the nation talking about this [i]and[/i] united owners, coaches, and players, I don't think exercising the very freedom which folks in the service fought and died for is disrespecting any of them. If anything, it honors their sacrifices. [url=https://pics.me.me/trump-supporters-be-like-my-voice-my-story-y-body-27684080.png]But hey, I totally get where you're coming from.[/url]

[quote][quote]Lmao "conversations?" Have you looked at this thread? There are literally 0 constructive conversations about what happened. If people came together like you suggested and had conversations about stuff we never would have the political discourse we have now in America. You sound about as logically sound as a communist. "Oh but if only we all do everything for the greater good." "Oh but if we all only came together and had conversations" What the players did didn't just disrespect the flag, it disrespected all the men and women of all colors, creeds and religions who died for them so that they could play a game.[/quote] Because the true litmus test of whether or not a motion was successful is how Bungie's OffTopic posters reacted to it. Holy shit, man lol Ignoring the fact that this action by Trump clearly got a lot of the nation talking about this [i]and[/i] united owners, coaches, and players, I don't think exercising the very freedom which folks in the service fought and died for is disrespecting any of them. If anything, it honors their sacrifices. [url=https://pics.me.me/trump-supporters-be-like-my-voice-my-story-y-body-27684080.png]But hey, I totally get where you're coming from.[/url][/quote] I guarantee you either people will clash verbally about it without leaving a victor or it will be an echo chamber which solves nothing. If you wanted to honor service members you'd do what they do for the anthem and flag raising. Not the opposite. Just because you have a right to something doesn't mean excersising that right makes you a good person. It's sorta like when God told Adam and eve not to eat the fruit but gave them free will so they did it anyways. Or are you implying what they did honored what God asked of them? 1. Protest on your own time 2. Wtf is that even about? Is it feminism or pro abortion? Because if it's the former it probably consists of a lot of angry women who don't actually want to fix anything because there's nothing in law that makes women less equal than men. If it's the latter it's basically a pro murder rally so I could see why that's offensive to people. The third one idgaf about, Starbucks is garbage anyways lmao. As for the [url=http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law]-godwinslaw!-[/url]? Look man, if you're going to lump me in with the [url=http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law]-godwinslaw!-[/url] just because I voted for Trump (Which btw I didn't.) You're really no better than anybody you claim that post represents. Also note that "Trump Supporters" will say it's offensive, not that they don't have the right to do it. Which is still first amendment. Unless you, like every other liberal, has forgotten.

[quote]I guarantee you either people will clash verbally about it without leaving a victor or it will be an echo chamber which solves nothing. If you wanted to honor service members you'd do what they do for the anthem and flag raising. Not the opposite. Just because you have a right to something doesn't mean excersising that right makes you a good person. It's sorta like when God told Adam and eve not to eat the fruit but gave them free will so they did it anyways. Or are you implying what they did honored what God asked of them? 1. Protest on your own time 2. Wtf is that even about? Is it feminism or pro abortion? Because if it's the former it probably consists of a lot of angry women who don't actually want to fix anything because there's nothing in law that makes women less equal than men. If it's the latter it's basically a pro murder rally so I could see why that's offensive to people. The third one idgaf about, Starbucks is garbage anyways lmao. As for the [url=http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law]-godwinslaw!-[/url]? Look man, if you're going to lump me in with the [url=http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law]-godwinslaw!-[/url] just because I voted for Trump (Which btw I didn't.) You're really no better than anybody you claim that post represents. Also note that "Trump Supporters" will say it's offensive, not that they don't have the right to do it. Which is still first amendment. Unless you, like every other liberal, has forgotten.[/quote] God setting boundaries for Adam and Eve would be setting laws, which they broke. It isn't against the law to protest during the anthem. Contrary to what you believe, actions like this start a lot of meaningful conversations. It isn't always the two people directly conversing who discussions have an effect on. Observers can be swayed one way or another too, which is also important, and why I take the time to discuss so much on these, and other boards. The anthem protesting has been defended and supported by the entirety of the NFL. The players are well within their rights to do it, and they're supported in doing so, despite the president's efforts to use his government position to bully the league into stopping. Standing up for what they believe in and making a difference in their communities is something many NFL players do during their careers. As such, and given the NFL's support, there's no reason they should stop protesting.

[quote][quote]I guarantee you either people will clash verbally about it without leaving a victor or it will be an echo chamber which solves nothing. If you wanted to honor service members you'd do what they do for the anthem and flag raising. Not the opposite. Just because you have a right to something doesn't mean excersising that right makes you a good person. It's sorta like when God told Adam and eve not to eat the fruit but gave them free will so they did it anyways. Or are you implying what they did honored what God asked of them? 1. Protest on your own time 2. Wtf is that even about? Is it feminism or pro abortion? Because if it's the former it probably consists of a lot of angry women who don't actually want to fix anything because there's nothing in law that makes women less equal than men. If it's the latter it's basically a pro murder rally so I could see why that's offensive to people. The third one idgaf about, Starbucks is garbage anyways lmao. As for the [url=http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law]-godwinslaw!-[/url]? Look man, if you're going to lump me in with the [url=http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law]-godwinslaw!-[/url] just because I voted for Trump (Which btw I didn't.) You're really no better than anybody you claim that post represents. Also note that "Trump Supporters" will say it's offensive, not that they don't have the right to do it. Which is still first amendment. Unless you, like every other liberal, has forgotten.[/quote] God setting boundaries for Adam and Eve would be setting laws, which they broke. It isn't against the law to protest during the anthem. Contrary to what you believe, actions like this start a lot of meaningful conversations. It isn't always the two people directly conversing who discussions have an effect on. Observers can be swayed one way or another too, which is also important, and why I take the time to discuss so much on these, and other boards. The anthem protesting has been defended and supported by the entirety of the NFL. The players are well within their rights to do it, and they're supported in doing so, despite the president's efforts to use his government position to bully the league into stopping. Standing up for what they believe in and making a difference in their communities is something many NFL players do during their careers. As such, and given the NFL's support, there's no reason they should stop protesting.[/quote] That's not what I'm saying at all. God gave them a choice, to respect his decision or not. He never gave them a law to follow. The 10 commandments were law. Not eating the fruit was not. And how many of them took their stance because President Trump said a few mean words? Cognitive dissonance my friend. So I suppose you wouldn't have a problem if players decided to [url=http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law]-godwinslaw!-[/url] salute the flag en mass right? Because I know libtard America would have an absolute fit. After all, fair is fair.

[quote]That's not what I'm saying at all. God gave them a choice, to respect his decision or not. He never gave them a law to follow. The 10 commandments were law. Not eating the fruit was not. And how many of them took their stance because President Trump said a few mean words? Cognitive dissonance my friend. So I suppose you wouldn't have a problem if players decided to [url=http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law]-godwinslaw!-[/url] salute the flag en mass right? Because I know libtard America would have an absolute fit. After all, fair is fair.[/quote] >claims cognitive dissonance >compares advocating for the end of violence committed by police to advocating for the extermination of various races AllOfMyWat.jpg Also, I don't think you can say "the word of God" isn't law when He is specifically telling you to do something lol. There's literally no higher authority. Giving Adam and Eve free will doesn't mean, nor even imply, that that's not law. Oh, and for the record, the stance was taken to defend the ability of NFL players as a whole to continue to protest. The entirety of the NFL organization agreed, so there's no reason to stop now is there? You can always go boycott though. I'm sure the organization will miss you dearly.

[quote][quote]That's not what I'm saying at all. God gave them a choice, to respect his decision or not. He never gave them a law to follow. The 10 commandments were law. Not eating the fruit was not. And how many of them took their stance because President Trump said a few mean words? Cognitive dissonance my friend. So I suppose you wouldn't have a problem if players decided to [url=http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law]-godwinslaw!-[/url] salute the flag en mass right? Because I know libtard America would have an absolute fit. After all, fair is fair.[/quote] >claims cognitive dissonance >compares advocating for the end of violence committed by police to advocating for the extermination of various races AllOfMyWat.jpg Also, I don't think you can say "the word of God" isn't law when He is specifically telling you to do something lol. There's literally no higher authority. Giving Adam and Eve free will doesn't mean, nor even imply, that that's not law. Oh, and for the record, the stance was taken to defend the ability of NFL players as a whole to continue to protest. The entirety of the NFL organization agreed, so there's no reason to stop now is there? You can always go boycott though. I'm sure the organization will miss you dearly.[/quote] So... You're admitting police brutality isn't a problem then and their protest doesn't do anything but stir up tensions. Gotcha. You're missing the point which is that they disrespected him by doing that. It doesn't matter if it's a law or not. Oh I'm planning on it. But go ahead and patronize me. We'll see how far the NFL's ratings tank by the end of the month. I'll give you a sneak peek... Look at CNN's ratings lol.

[quote]So... You're admitting police brutality isn't a problem then and their protest doesn't do anything but stir up tensions. Gotcha. You're missing the point which is that they disrespected him by doing that. It doesn't matter if it's a law or not. Oh I'm planning on it. But go ahead and patronize me. We'll see how far the NFL's ratings tank by the end of the month. I'll give you a sneak peek... Look at CNN's ratings lol.[/quote] You should be careful trying to make that long of stretches, man. Y'all are gonna hurt yourself. And again, the difference between reality and your God analogy is that these people are going against a guideline, not a law. Players are not disregarding a law soldiers fought for. They're disregarding a etiquette guideline which [i]isn't[/i] something soldiers fought for. The ability to disregard that guideline, by the way, [i]is[/i] something veterans fought for, and which the league is actively protecting. Also, really? Trump supporters were making [i]that[/i] much of CNN's viewing audience? Or do you think that maybe [i]nobody[/i] cares for that network after they spent so much time giving Trump a platform last year? We'll see if any sort of successful boycott materializes with Trump complaining as loudly as he has, but color me skeptical.

[quote][quote]So... You're admitting police brutality isn't a problem then and their protest doesn't do anything but stir up tensions. Gotcha. You're missing the point which is that they disrespected him by doing that. It doesn't matter if it's a law or not. Oh I'm planning on it. But go ahead and patronize me. We'll see how far the NFL's ratings tank by the end of the month. I'll give you a sneak peek... Look at CNN's ratings lol.[/quote] You should be careful trying to make that long of stretches, man. Y'all are gonna hurt yourself. And again, the difference between reality and your God analogy is that these people are going against a guideline, not a law. Players are not disregarding a law soldiers fought for. They're disregarding a etiquette guideline which [i]isn't[/i] something soldiers fought for. The ability to disregard that guideline, by the way, [i]is[/i] something veterans fought for, and which the league is actively protecting. Also, really? Trump supporters were making [i]that[/i] much of CNN's viewing audience? Or do you think that maybe [i]nobody[/i] cares for that network after they spent so much time giving Trump a platform last year? We'll see if any sort of successful boycott materializes with Trump complaining as loudly as he has, but color me skeptical.[/quote] >Not denying my post Laws have clear consequences. Please show me where God stated the consequences for eating the fruit. Viewership has already been going down since 2015. It wouldn't be that big of a stretch to believe that this could cripple the NFL.

Then what do you suggest would be productive and provide awareness?

The news, the shit that's supposed to bring that stuff to light.

[quote]The news, the shit that's supposed to bring that stuff to light.[/quote] But I thought it's all fake news??