Hey [i]Day One[/i] player here, This rant is mainly for pug's (pick up group) so carry on if the above makes no sense! Consideration is appreciated but can also result in huge wastes of precious mental faculties, copious amounts of time, or emotional strain. Good news everyone, I think I broke some people. I know... why is that good news? Well short story short, I took it upon myself and formed a pug for a fresh VOG heroic and asked that people come play with the body text, [i][b]Solo Carries/Teaching the Raid[/b][/i]. I know how cruel of me. To say the least, opening the gate, Conflux Cp, Oracles Cp, went fairly well. Small hiccup of about 3-4 wipes on templar and we went the gorgon labyrinth in less then an hour. Yay. We get down to gatekeepers and I switch off my usual helpful guidelines and tips and don't say anything as we kill the original gatekeeper and began opening mars... and venus. now, old news to some, learning players tend to go haywire fairly quickly, but the strange phenomenon was, no one took initiative. I know how cruel and demeaning could I be to do this to poor unsuspecting "Beginner Raiders." The silence went on for about five wipes and moral began to plummet, so I continued observing. Now props to the more experienced raiders of the group noticing something was wrong. (At this point, several people had formed habits which were just sitting on sync plates/vex gates and hope for the best) So much for our smooth as heck run. Here are six guardians in the Vault (VOG) with no more helpful guide, no more leader/mentor/savior and a raid that is at the final moments. An hour goes by, confessions come out about how little people really knew (relic holding, which plate/gate should be first, etc.) and solved in a matter of about six attempts. Again, yay. This rant is mainly for pug's so carry on if the above makes no sense! Just was looking for some opinions on how people want to learn raids when they don't ask questions. Tired of people, coming into the raids, lying they know how to do anything, play cute, and then we spend 30 minutes on one part because no one takes initiative. We all know we don't have "unlimited" amounts of time and have breaking points. (mental, time, etc.) Why sit there and not get involved? Are you pessimistic and don't like your voice? Are you afraid a dumb question is dumb? Why yes to both, in most cases. Why do you care though? For real, three long years of content from the bungie lads and gals, and you want to sit there in the raid doing what you do? Ay boy, listen to this wall of text and tell me to -blam!- off! This is not my area to be putting my attention to! Long time raider, first time OP, be gentle. **thanks for listening ***did you know that only 7.4% of players have the raiding party achievement? Complete a Raid with a full team of your clan members