Are you serious? With the range nerf (3 meters overall, 4.25 with rifled and 4.95 with rangefinder), last word has terrible range falloff. The wormwood should not be able to outgun an EXOTIC primary.

TLW is still among the top 10 most used primaries (holds 4th spot) http://guardian.gg/en/weapon-stats?platform=2&start=2017-03-27&end=2017-04-08&mode=10&activity=0 Handcannons are by far more used than other primaries: Handcannons 24% Autos: 14% Scouts: 15% Pulse: 14% So tell me, how would buffing TLW help balance out these numbers? You're just thinking about handcannon balance, not weapon balance.

Let us not forget that the 3m damage fall off nerf was implemented because handcannons were over used. Over used does not mean over powered. Instead of neglecting a buff to The Last Word, we should buff other primaries with it. If everything is powerful, then nothing is too powerful.

Your point is invalid. Telesto, Lord of Wolves, Ill Will can all be very, very powerful, yet nobody uses them... So, does that mean they need a buff? No. The amount of people who use a weapon doesn't determine how balanced or how strong it is. The Last Word is suffering so much in this meta.

[quote]Your point is invalid. Telesto, Lord of Wolves, Ill Will can all be very, very powerful, yet nobody uses them... So, does that mean they need a buff? No. The amount of people who use a weapon doesn't determine how balanced or how strong it is. The Last Word is suffering so much in this meta.[/quote] They are "very powerful" compared to what? Just saying they are powerful has no logical value whatsoever. "A whale is big" This statement is true if you compare a whale to a human, but it's false when you compare a whale to a planet. And if you honestly think those weapons you listed are very powerful compared to TLW, then you're delusional. Show me stats or facts that prove it if you really think that. [quote]Let him keep replying though. It's just going to bump this post up making it more likely for Bungie to see it! He's helping my agenda and he doesn't even know it.[/quote] Lol I hate to burst your bubble but Bungie already announced the last patch was the last before Destiny 2 comes out, so your dream of having TLW buffed will just fall on deaf ears. This alone invalidates the whole purpose of your post lol. [quote]You obviously have no idea what you're talking about if you're basing your claims off the percentage of how many people use it, when in reality it is NOT a viable weapon anymore. Did you even watch the video? Did you see how inaccurate it can be even when aiming directly at your target? You obviously didn't. I'm sure the only reason people still use it is because they love the weapon itself, and that's exactly why I use it.[/quote] Stop acting like TLW is the only weapon with such problems. Fusions have ghost bullets, shotguns have ghost bullets, auto rifles have no chance against handcannons. Even with all the problems you said TLW has, it's still able to outgun most primaries. Why do you think sweaty people still use it in tournaments? It's not because it's their favorite gun, it's because it's still a competitive weapon even with its consistency problems. [quote]Yes, it can still be deadly in the right hands[/quote] If a weapon can be deadly in the right hands, it means it requires skill to use. So are you saying you're not skilled enough to be deadly with it? lol.

Looks like you care so much about this that you put in all that effort quoting everything I said. You're not worth my time arguing with. You're too simple and closed minded. You're too stuck up in your own opinions. No matter what you say or do, I still think The Last Word could use some improvements. I'm not saying it's a totally useless weapon, but it did take a severe and unnecessary hit with the Hand Cannon nerfs only because of Eyaslunas and Palindromes were clearly more dominant than any other weapon. That's not even worth arguing over because it is fact. It's not rocket science, and statistics don't really prove anything over the point I'm trying to make. Statistics vs. actually testing the weapon prove two different things. Anyways, have a good day dude!

That's what I thought.

Exactly, I said the same thing earlier, yet he just changes the topic. I can't argue with someone who continues to deviate from the topic.

Your point is kind of invalid given TLW is #4 in CONTROL... and hand cannons are weapons, so wouldn't they fall under the "weapon balance" umbrella? Yes, I am talking about hand cannon balance. As I stated earlier, wormwoods should not be able to counter a hand cannon or a last word at extended ranges.

Not really... It's also #4 in skirmish http://guardian.gg/en/weapon-stats?platform=2&start=2017-03-27&end=2017-04-08&mode=9&activity=0 It's #3 in salvage: http://guardian.gg/en/weapon-stats?platform=2&start=2017-03-27&end=2017-04-08&mode=11&activity=0 It's #5 in clash: http://guardian.gg/en/weapon-stats?platform=2&start=2017-03-27&end=2017-04-08&mode=12&activity=0 It's #4 in Rumble: http://guardian.gg/en/weapon-stats?platform=2&start=2017-03-27&end=2017-04-08&mode=13&activity=0 So basically i'ts top 5 in most gamemodes. My point is more than valid lol.

The percentages for TLW usage are half or less than half compared to the percentages of meta weapons though? Making the point of "buffing TLW and other weapons" understandable? And in some lists, wormwood has percentages 3x higher than TLW... and how does usage relate to how viable a gun is compared to the meta? Just because a gun is being used a certain percent doesn't mean its winning against meta guns...

So a weapon that holds #5 or higher in most gamemodes is not a meta weapon? lol. Like I said before, if you buff TLW the Handcannon percentage will only increase even more because the few people who are using scouts, pulses, and autos will just switch to it. That's not how you achieve balance.

Yes but hand cannon and TLW percentages are separate according to your links... you still haven't said anything about what I said earlier relating to wormwood being able to beat hand cannons and TLW at extended ranges? Which was my whole starting point and objection to your comment?

So let's consider only two weapons to balance pvp rather than all of them? seems legit lol. The idea of buffing TLW is like the idea of buffing the party crasher in the last shotgun meta. You would have some people using matador64 and some using party crasher, but at the end of the day, all you would see would be shotguns. Same idea applies in this case: Buffing TLW would only make some people use Eyasluna/palindrome and some TLW, but all you would see at the end of the day would be handcannons. How is that balance? lol

I also said earlier "buff TLW and other weapons"... guess you didn't read that?

TLW is already better than most primaries, so buffing both at the same time wouldn't make any difference. Other weapons need buffs, not meta weapons.

/)_- there is no point in arguing with you

Leave him be. He obviously has no idea what he's talking about. He does not understand the true concept of balance if he thinks 1.) The Last Word is better than [i]most[/i] primaries, when it really isn't. Only a fool would think that. and 2.) The percentage of people who use a weapon automatically determines how good the gun in, which in most cases can be arguably true, but in this case I think people use it just because they want to use it. Not because it is better than anything.