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11/30/2016 3:34:20 PM
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Dear people who are complaining about jug titans
Figure it out man, their easy to counter. Go up, that's it, just jump up and watch them run under you, turn around and kill them. Titans suck ass at going up, so get vertical.
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Well whenever I try to jump over them I get shotgunned
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I had that issue at the start as well, it really comes down to timing. I'm lucky enough to play in a clan where I got a titan to run 1v1s with me till I had the counters down. It's kinda obvious but try to jump early with your primary out, if his able to change direction or runs past you, you'll have first shots on ( I run hand cannons so jump shots are abit easier) However if the titan stops under you switch to shotty and hit the top of the head, the crits will help extend your range, plus it takes a long time for the titan to find you and look up. Hope this helps a little
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Thanks :)
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Except there's countless places on every map in the game that you can't jump up above them. & secondly, what you're implying is significantly easier said than done. Full speed skating Titan, is pretty hard to keep track of. Especially one that uses Twilight & can switch momentum in a half second as soon as they realize you've moved. & if you're going to sit here and argue that it's perfectly easy to shotgun a Twilight or shadestep mid-use then I'm going to have to call your actual crucible experience into question...because it's definitely not easy to do.
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Looking at your stats imply a your good at this game, so I don't really understand how your having issues with countering.
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Look at how long I've spent in the crucible, you can't call my experience into question. 1. Yah maps have places you can't jump, but the majority of everything is open and easy. Also you can back peddle. 2. If your losing track of skating titans that's your own fault, their not blinking, their not invisible. Their really not hard to track. 3. Yah it's really not that hard to track twilight or shade step. If you've spent any amount of time in the crucible you know how far they move. And you know what direction their moving cause you have eyes and those are useful. The biggest problem people have when trying to get better is crying for nerfs before figuring out how to counter things. I had an issue with jugs when they got popular. So I played sweats against a very good jug titan, asked him how to counter. He said titans suck at going up, titans suck at changing direction. Now I know to get vertical or try to make them change directions. If all you can think to do is stand in front of a jug titan and try to bring the shield down, your going to have a bad time. If you take a second to think about what their good and bad at, you can figure ways around anything.
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Yeah I have nothing more to say after that dumb ass comment...skating, twilighting Titans are easy to keep track of.... Nothing else to say.
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Learn the movements champ, it's not hard to figure out.
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The whole point of Twilight is to prevent predictable movements. It's actually impossible to learn the movement of a Twilight Titan. You can change directions in an instant, with any momentum, in any direction. It's 100% unpredictable to know which way somebody's going to Twilight. You must've never played against anybody who's even remotely half decent with a jug shield+Twilight that you're seriously arguing they're easy to counter. If you'd like, we can get into a private match & I can have some very experienced Titan friends shit all over your life with Twilight+Jug so you can experience what it's like to play against an actual [i]skilled[/i] player. Not the sub-1.0 Trashcans you'll get paired against thanks to SBMM.
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I literally made a post about countering jug Shield. If I've forced them to use twilight to change direction their jug shield comes down and the fights on even terms again Sure as shit seems like a counter to jug shield to me.
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Edited by Youre Lightwork: 11/30/2016 6:32:18 PMWell friend, who is going to Twilight when they're Jug is still up.? Lol, nobody. They twilight after you jump out of shotgun range, & they're underneath you. So there's no more 'just turning around and shotgunning them easily'. Like I said, once you experience some actually skilled players running that cheap ass combo, you'll feel differently. If Matchmaking ensured I only played against trashcans everything would be easy to counter for me too.
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Again, their under me, I can hit the top of the head. And if they do twilight while their under me then they've changed direction and the shields down. Again this is a post about countering jug shield. Not sure what part of that your missing. As soon as they use twilight then the shields down. And if they don't twilight then I'm above them, at that point they have three options in sweats or 4 in matching making. 1. Stop and try to shotgun you in the air, which at the point I'm at an advantage, fast for me to aim down then you up. 2. Keep running, shield stays up but now I have your back 3. Turn. At which point your no longer engaged with me. Sooo that is what it is 4. Twilight which again drops your shield and now the 1v1 is even again.
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Edited by Youre Lightwork: 11/30/2016 6:49:15 PMOkay man. You win. You cannot be debated against. You're the only player in the game that just shits on Jug 10/10 times because you're just so good. Only player who's always in a space where you can jump, only player who has no trouble with landing shots on a Twilight Titan, only player who never runs into anything while back peddling. You're just a god. When you start playing against people w. Thumbs , we'll talk again.
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At what point did I say I was a god. I said I can counter a jug shield. Meaning I can get them to drop their shield at which point it's an even 1v1. That's it no more no less. Stats wise I'm assuming your not trash. So your inability to understand this is odd. But is what it is. Have a good day.
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You don't [i]have[/i] to say it. You're saying you shit on one the strongest perks in the crucible right now every time with no issues. It's not about "understanding". Theoretically what you're saying sounds fine. But the problem is, it never [i]actually[/i] works like that. I can say, all you need to do to kill a Storm is arcbolt-shotty-melee. And they're dead every time. Theoretically, yes, that's true. That'll always kill a Storm. Does it actually work like that the majority of the time though..? Not even close. For you to be able to counter Jug with how you're saying, you need to be in the perfect scenario every time, which simply just doesn't happen most of the time...but apparently not for you I guess! Maybe it wouldn't happen to me either if I played against trashcans. But instead, I play against very competitive & competent players 9/10 games. so, those simple "jump up and shotty" strats don't work nearly as well as you're implying.
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Edited by outriders187: 11/30/2016 7:17:56 PMLol got you rattled eh. Your really not understanding what I'm getting at but I'll just ask you to go watch top tier players, anyone not using titans counter them the same way, by getting vertical to force titans to drop shields. It works at the top end, works at the bottom end Once shields are down it's an even fight again that's it. And your right their are places in this game where you can't get vertical, or move to the side, or peddle to a better spot. At which point your right your probably -blam!-ed. But guess whose fault that is. Works well for me, works well for top tier players, works well for the titan who help me figure out how to counter. But -blam!- it right, jugs op and I'll just tilt every time I die to it. Guess that's a better strat.
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Edited by Youre Lightwork: 11/30/2016 7:34:31 PMI think maybe I'd feel the same way if matchmaking guaranteed I only versed average players the majority of the time. your comment abt watching top tier players though..? I mean, I play w. Top tier players every time I play. That's all I play with for the most part...& I've never heard any of them say that it's not broken. If you ever verse competent Strikers, you'll realize what I'm saying... Your counters only work against Jug if they're trying to ape you from 40 feet away. It doesn't work when they come around a corner with it. Doesn't work when you're in a bottleneck or place with low ceilings. And the biggest issue ; Doesn't work if you're not using a shotgun. People who snipe have absolutely nothing unless they're using last word. Theoretically ; yes. Actual in-game experiences ; the scenario needs to be perfect every time. & you can [b]never[/b] guarantee that in the crucible. you can try your best to position yourself so you can be for the majority of the time, but it'll never be a sure-thing.
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When I see the bsk guys getting jugs to drop shield I have a hard time believing the jugs your against are so good that they never drop shields Higher probability is your spinning your wheels because ether you haven't tried it, suck at it. Or just like to cry about things that kill you. I'm gunna guess it's the 2nd option.
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dudes sees Lumi kill a Jug once or twice ; thinks that's how every engagement goes... I could probably show you 3 clips of dying to Jug for every clip you can find of him killing one. Lol
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At this point the conversations running circles around it's self so I'll end it at this point. Enjoy standing head on I front of a jug shield. Hope that works well for yah. I'm gonna keep trying to win engagements. Some I will, some I won't. Bet I'll win more by trying to counter then by getting mad and crying nerf.
