[quote]Also bungie's comment about Trials matching you against other players with the same cards as you is also bullshit. The are some games I've been in where I lose my very first match and I see in the corner that the enemy just achieved the ultimate victory. A 0-0 card went against an 8-0 card. Bungie lies so much I bet not even they know what is true anymore.[/quote] Ya see, this is where you whiners tend to lose me, because you guys keep resorting to calling Bungie "bullshiters/liars" simply because you don't get the results that they strive for all the time. [b]NEWSFLASH: JUST BECAUSE BUNGIE SAYS THEIR MATCHMAKING SYSTEM STRIVES TO DO SOMETHING DOESN'T MEAN YOU AND EVERYONE ELSE ARE GONNA GET THAT EXACT RESULT![/b] And the fact that you SOMETIMES get results not aligned with what they purport to do doesn't mean that they're bold-face lying. If you're gonna call them liars, then come to the table with more substantial proof of it, simple as that. Don't come with some anecdotal stories about that couple of times when you got different results; that doesn't mean that they're lying.

Wow, even when Bungie clearly lies, the sheep still can't tell. Listen, they said that ToO matchmaking matches you based off wins on your card, and if you don't actually get matched like that then it is called a LIE. I don't tend to complain much against Bungie, only when they make obvious lies and expect people like you to be stupid enough to buy it. Open your eyes, geez! Muted for being a blind defender.

blah blah blah You spat a bunch of hot air and then stormed off with your hands over ears all while failing to acknowledge the point I made, much less contend it.

From your standpoint he didn't acknowledge your stance against the whiners of the community. But your statement in and of itself was flawed in that it's not just "a couple of anecdotal stories about the few times they got different results." The mass of people in the community calling for the removal of skill consideration in match making should be representative of just how much larger the issue is. This isn't say 100-400 crucible players who are all having a few bad days here and there with completely ass matchmaking. This is a few thousand or so people all having the same issue consistently. And that's just the average player base of people in regular crucible games who are experiencing the flaws and miscalculations of the matchmaking systems. The Trials community is experiencing a similar issue and I feel I've seen more of it in the last few weeks of the weekend trials event. Bungie may not be boldface lying but they aren't making a good case for themselves especially when they brush of private matches as some sort of bandaid for a larger issue.

I hear you, but at the end of the day you guys aren't bringing much actual statistics or facts to make your claims. The same way a person can say "I get connected to players outside the country so many times", I can say "you get connected to players in your own region more than that", and then we're at a stalemate. Even the folks who're putting up data to backup their claims fail to show their results in comparison to anything else. And most people (like the poster I replied to) aren't coming at this with the same decorum that you are; most are just screaming like babies "BUNGIE R LYERS!!" because they're not getting what they want. That's what I can't jive with.