I read Deej's post and all you snowflake, mommy told me I matter, little children need to stfu.
He made a valid point, and provided people a chance to see what constructive feedback looked like. He requested that instead of stomping your feet and holding your breath like a spoiled brat, that you actually explain your thoughts and feelings on an issue with some detail.
That's not condescending.
If you took your car to a mechanic and said " this thing sucks" or " this is broken" with no other detail, guess what...it either won't get fixed, or he will spend a lot of wasted time looking at stuff that you don't care about. That's YOUR fault not the mechanic's.
Good feedback provides some level of detail of what exactly you have seen, how it has impacted you, and even some suggested things to change or look at specifically.
There is nothing wrong with venting or just complaining if you like, but those won't help fix the problem. You can't bitch about the outcome if that's the path you choose.
I weep for our future.
[spoiler]Moderator edit: This thread has been moved to #Feedback forum so that other Destiny players can weigh in. See [url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/139533839/0/0]Cozmo's thread[/url] for more information about the #Feedback tag and its uses.
Feel free to private message the moderator who moved your post, link to topic for further clarification about why this topic was moved.[/spoiler]
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Of course Deej liked this post. If you go to Deej's Bungie activity, he liked this post XD.
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4 RepliesCame back to this post to reminisce about the times DeeJ actually talked to the community.
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1 ReplyTy for making this post, it makes it easier for me to block all the snowflakes getting mad at your post.
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8 RepliesI haven't even been on the forums that long, despite being a y1 player, but even I have seen a lot of well written, well thought out posts and almost every single one of them not only went without acknowledgement. The tags for those threads were removed so they would stop trending. If you want people to make long, well thought out complaints and continue to do so then Cozmo and/or Deej would have to at least show some decency and acknowledge such posts. Ignoring or borderline insulting people for "crying" when they are repeatedly ignored, or even better, buried so the community will stop upvoting them, leads to people growing frustrated and eventually this is what you get. A community that is so tired of being ignored and buried that they've resorted to the only thing they can think of to get Bungie's attention. Calling those people spoiled brats because Bungie has driven them to this point just shows how childish and self absorbed Deej truly is. Using someone else, someone who doesn't work at Bungie, as a source of feedback from Bungie just shows that Deej does not want to, and does not care about the community enough to, do his own job.
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Hey a**hole, not only has the community SEVERAL times on SEVERAL occasions (including this one) explained in no uncertain terms what needs to be fixed and at least half a dozen ways how, but, in reference to the "special snowflakes" (which I can't stand either FYI) you were bashing...have you maybe taken a look in the mirror lately? Because you should. Idiot.
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What about the thousands and thousands of other diplomatic, well-informed, well-intended threads over the last two years that weren't responded to? Deej is testifying to what catches Bungies ear yet nothing changes. Why would anyone give a shit what he thinks? Personally I'm impressed with the revolution. I'm proud of the community for unifying over something that matters. People have stated their qualms with stentorian unison. I haven't seen so much support for something in a long time and like clockwork the dissent comes internally, within our own confines. I hope people don't stop posting SBMM threads. They don't listen to anything so might as well flood their eyes with dissatisfaction.
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You must be new. The community has said time and again the reasons why SBMM is a bad thing. You also shouldn't create a post insulting people because i looked at your overall stats...SBMM doesn't affect you at all.
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What's "condescending" is the fact that many (including myself) have made numerous well thought-out posts just stating facts and experiences from our gameplay... all falling on deaf ears. Many of this feedback was even at Bungie's request after matchmaking changes. Not all of the posts are from whining little bitches that are having a temper tantrum over some bad games. Many are full of data conveyed in almost a "scientific" manor. Hell, I've even included screenshots from my router showing where my connections are on a map of the world. Not every post simply says "fix your game Bungie". What is condescending is being fed BS info that always feels filtered and vague, deciding that the matchmaking needs changed and then lying to us about it when we notice (later giving us the date of the change, hence the lies), seeing a dozen "updates to the way your matches are made" without a single one feeling better, and finally... playing a game 2yrs later that feels worse than it did at the start. Many people have posts full of relevant concise info on this topic as well as others, and 99% of them never get a response. But you do see the occasional response in a joke/BS post about nothing.
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1 ReplyEdited by TheShadow: 11/15/2016 5:40:19 AMI'll agree on the part about good feedback can go a long ways but not with this company. Where have you seen anywhere on the net gamers asking for more Microtansactions instead of adding content that isn't removed? It takes 2 to communicate and when one person looks at it only their way. Please explain where the communication is in that. Other companies have no problem on actually communicating with their fanbase.Bungie on the other hand keeps avoiding real issues leaving no explanation. Prazing your fearless leader is not helping this community one bit knowing they have not giving any explanation when comes to certain matters. I get the whole thing this is Bungie's game and blah blah blah...but you know as well as everyone that there has been literally thousands of great post with great feedback about how this game can improve. Lets look at the feedback Bungie only takes into consideration and a fact. Gamers asking weapons to be nerfed. Bungie literally has the best nerfing team in gamming history and that isn't even a joke. I have never heard or seen any company nerf as much content as Bungie's nerf happy team has or as many times within a 2 year period that is out of control. They have nerfed everything from revive time to your characters super and somethings a few times to many. I can see how PvE needs the exact same "adjustments" as PvP. Gamers have ask for easier ways to acquire certain things. Here comes Bungie giving the hand me out updates allowing gamers to reach max within two weeks then they nerf the update. ROI is a prime example and when gamers bitch enough Bungie will make another hand out update. See the patern? Then you have 3OC that literally turned exotics into a material for progression. Love the concept on killing the sense of value in this game that now gamers complaining about using the consumable not dropping enough exotics. Poor things... Complaing about weapons etc dropping below light level. Not that you need that much to complete anything in this game but what the hell right? Lol. Stupid shit like this is all Bungie has paid attention to but for over 2 years gamers have been asking for better or more ways to acquire gear and Bungie's answer to that is Microtansactions timed events? Umm, vendors on all the social spaces have a rotational timer for some dumb reason. Gee, do you think Bungie was going to have the vendors stock rotate but thought tess was more of a priority? So when gamers say Bungie listen to their fanbase. Prove it! Because I can't see how facial hair is more important to be on the wish list and not deducted servers that was on the wish list that [b](Cozmo removed.)[/b]
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26 RepliesBad analogy.... The truth is more like this: I go to my mechanic, tell him my windscreen is broken.... ... So the mechanic completely ignores it, and tells me "it's working as intended" since I can still see the road .... So I complain again, and this time he adjusts my mirrors for me, saying that should do ... Getting frustrated, I tell him once again, my f***** windscreen in broken... But my mechanic goes "Ah yes, buy some fuzzy dice for $10 and no one will even notice it" .... Incredibly frustrated now, I demand my mechanic fixes my goddamn car! ... The mechanic tells me that I should tell him what's wrong with my car ... F*** U BUNGIE... Stop making out as if you've never had any constructive feedback ... You've had plenty, but you've chosen to ignore it for too long and frustrated many players, now you have the audacity to make it appear as everything is shitposted. Personally for me, I've had enough of Bungie, games like Overwatch and BF1 are so far ahead of Destiny, hell even COD and TitanFall are better than this piece of shit!
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8 RepliesDeej is worthless, condescending tool. Some community manager, talks down to players and dismisses their very valid complaints.
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Cry more please. We're you hoping for Deej to answer? Lolz at this community. Sucking that digital D whenever they get a chance.
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1 ReplySaid like a true PERSON WITH COMMON SENSE
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1 ReplyThe bottom line is this....... You can make your petitions, threaten to leave, even make valid and then nonsensible arguments all you want. They aren't going to change anything. Know why? You keep playing and giving them money. They will never spend money on changes when profits are still what they are. If you thought this one was bad, wait until Destiny 2 when they know damn well we will pay for 1 games worth of content 5 times, and some will drop hundreds for a sparrow. It's madness.
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Nothing will ever happen if we act casually about protesting
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You shut up
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Crybaby
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we've gone through this before they know what the issues are with SBMM.
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[quote]I read Deej's post and all you snowflake, mommy told me I matter, little children need to stfu. He made a valid point, and provided people a chance to see what constructive feedback looked like. He requested that instead of stomping your feet and holding your breath like a spoiled brat, that you actually explain your thoughts and feelings on an issue with some detail. That's not condescending. If you took your car to a mechanic and said " this thing sucks" or " this is broken" with no other detail, guess what...it either won't get fixed, or he will spend a lot of wasted time looking at stuff that you don't care about. That's YOUR fault not the mechanic's. Good feedback provides some level of detail of what exactly you have seen, how it has impacted you, and even some suggested things to change or look at specifically. There is nothing wrong with venting or just complaining if you like, but those won't help fix the problem. You can't bitch about the outcome if that's the path you choose. I weep for our future. [spoiler]Moderator edit: This thread has been moved to #Feedback forum so that other Destiny players can weigh in. See [url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/139533839/0/0]Cozmo's thread[/url] for more information about the #Feedback tag and its uses. Feel free to private message the moderator who moved your post, link to topic for further clarification about why this topic was moved.[/spoiler][/quote] Deej has never been right. Ever. Hth
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Can I add that I've read constructive posts and even posted some of my own. But they get drowned out in the daytime soap operas that are filled to the brim with comments, so they get more attention. That's just what it is all about. The constructive feedback is there but we are too busy looking at the stompers.
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2 Replies100% agreed. The community is nothing more than a baby who cant stop whining.
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3 RepliesActually mate, going to the mechanic and saying "this is broken" is pretty much what most people do.
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Mark my words as soon as they go cbmm it will be the same thing all over again and the same kids will bitch about that because they can't deal with it being on their end. There is no winning when you argues with idiots, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience
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Edited by Athos SD: 11/15/2016 3:33:48 AMBump. Thanks for posting.
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1 ReplyI agree
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People have been providing constructive feedback since last december. There has been plenty.