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[b]Warning: Original Poster sucks at writing succinctly [/b]
For those of you who lack the stamina required to read well thought-out essays: you have been warned, I will make no compromises for your lack of focus.[/quote]
[quote][b]New Information![/b] Scroll down to the 7th post to read about a recent discovery that strongly points to the Spiker's return in Reach! It's more or less indirectly confirmed now!
[b]New Information![/b] Scroll down to the 7th post to see a picture from E3 where a Spiker can be spotted in the hands of a Brute.
[b]New Information![/b] Scroll down to the 7th post to see the first Video Footage of the Spiker being used by the Player![/quote]
[quote][/quote][b]Introduction[/b][quote][/quote]
Today I am here to discuss the past, the present, and the future of the [url=http://www.bungie.net/News/content.aspx?cid=12237]Type-25 Carbine[/url]. Adept at filling the air with swarms of low-velocity superheated spikes, the "Spiker" is the primary weapon of choice for Brute Infantry. It is dual-wieldable, unique, awesome, and happens to be my favorite weapon in Halo.
Ever since that summer day in my AP Physics class where my class mates and I huddled around a single computer to watch the first Halo Reach Trailer with wonder and excitement in our eyes, I've been searching for signs of the Spiker in Reach. At the time of this writing, the Spiker has not been confirmed to be in or out of Reach by Bungie, and its inclusion or removal has been a fairly frequent topic in the Halo Reach Forum.
Although I have posted in many of these threads, sharing different evidence, insights, and reasoning, I've yet to hone and sharpen my thoughts and unite them together into one masterpiece. But now, after nearly a month of brainstorming, drafting, and revising, I bring you my evidence for why I believe it is likely that the Spiker will return in Halo Reach.
I've worked hard to step away from my emotions and fairly evaluate the probability of the Spiker returning in Reach with cold hard facts and intelligence. I've crafted this thread with several groups of people in mind.
First, for the intellectuals of the forum. Please, examine my argument, attack it with everything you have, and try to break it. You did a very good job of this with my [url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=41989722]Spartan Laser Thread[/url]. Because you broke that argument completely, it helped me to understand why the Spartan Laser's return in Halo Reach wasn't as bad as I originally thought. Don't expect it to be so easy this time around however, my "hate" of the Spartan Laser is insignificant compared to my Love for the Spiker.
Second, for the people who might have seen me on the forums, but just assumed that I am some sort of Spiker Fan Boy who believes that the Spiker will be in Reach because [i]"Bungie wouldn't dare mess with my favorite weapon."[/i] Please learn how horrifically wrong you are. I've put a lot of thought into this, and I won't have you writing me off until you hear the full story. There is a reason to why I say [i]"The Spiker is likely to return in Reach"[/i] with such confidence.
Finally, to the people who blindly trust every word I say, I'd at least want to give you some background to why I came to this conclusion so that if you ever find yourself under attack for claiming that the Spiker will return in Reach, you will at least know how to go about defending yourself.
[quote][/quote][i]"Why do you think the Spiker will be in Reach"[/i] you ask? This is a bit of a difficult question to answer, and I'm not sure exactly where I should start. As a writer, it's much easier for me to explain my theory to you by presenting the common arguments for why the Spiker won't be in Reach, then counter them one by one. I've compiled six major arguments today, and I am willing to add more should you people craft some new ones which challenge my conclusion.
The original post is comprised of seven posts total, so I wish you luck with finishing it.
[quote][/quote][quote][b]Argument 1)[/b] [i]Spikers are weapons used only by Brutes. I heard that there won't be any Brutes in Halo Reach, so it makes no sense for there to be Spikers in Halo Reach.[/i][/quote][quote][/quote]
This argument commonly comes from people who haven't been following the development of this game closely. There is no crime in making an assumption like this when you don't have all the details available for you to digest, so allow me to quickly and kindly correct your misunderstanding.
Brutes are in Reach. They have been indirectly confirmed twice by Bungie. The first time that they were confirmed was in the First Halo Reach Vidoc: [url=http://www.bungie.net/projects/reach/vidaudio.aspx?c=58&i=24782]Once More Unto The Breach[/url]. At about 4:33 into the video, you will clearly see an artist working on a new brute model for Halo Reach (the brute model is on the left screen, Brute concept art from Halo 3 is on the right screen). For those of you who are lazy and don't mind my funny red annotations, I have a [url=http://i868.photobucket.com/albums/ab249/Hylebosaiden/Bnet%20Image%20Resources/OMGBRUTES.jpg]screencap[/url] of this picture for your viewing pleasure.
Why would they show footage in the vidoc of a character model that won't be in the final game?
The second time that they were confirmed was in the [url=http://downloads.bungie.net/podcasts/Bungie_Podcast_30910.mp3]03/09/10 Bungie Podcast[/url]. The guest of this show was the Reach Audio Lead: Jay Weinland. At about 30 minutes into the podcast, the following exchange occurs:
[quote] [b]29:58 Brian Jarrard:[/b] And then I guess you guys are also dealing with redefining a Grunt speaking a native dialog versus an Elite versus all of the Covenant.
[b]Jay Weinland:[/b] Yup, it's a totally different take there I guess, totally different take, and we've come up with a way to actually write English words and then transmogrify them into an Alien Language which...
[b]Brian Jarrard:[/b] Yeah, I heard that a real formal language was created, sort of melding together some other things that are out there and then you guys are like: "guess we'll apply some processing to the final recording to make..."
[b]Jay Weinland:[/b] Yeah, apply some processing to make it sound more [b][u]Brutey[/b][/u], or more Elitey, or more Grunty.
[b]Brian Jarrard:[/b] That's awesome.
[b]Jay Weinland:[/b] So yeah, that's going to be good times, we've already recorded a couple of grunts, we're getting our Elites and [b][u]Brutes[/u][/b] here in Seattle.
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Why would they need to record dialog for Brutes if they aren't going to be in the game?
Now, some of you might not be entirely convinced. I've heard all sorts of justifications for why Brutes won't be in Reach despite the prior two bits of evidence. [i]"Brutes will be in cut scenes only and we won't ever fight them"[/i] or [i]"Bungie says that all details are subject to change, so they could easily come to their senses and removes Brutes from Reach before they ruin Campaign."[/i] To be blunt, these are feeble weak arguments which aren't likely to occur. I understand that some of you people may be nervous about reintroducing Brutes into Halo Reach when they didn't do so well in Halo 2 or Halo 3, but there are a variety of reasons why Brutes in Reach won't suck as much as in prior games.
The important thing is that there are Brutes in the game, so we know that Spikers won't be taken out just because Brutes are absent. But Brutes have not been as consistent in their presentation throughout previous Halo games, which brings us to our next argument.
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[Edited on 09.09.2010 5:46 PM PDT]
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They put it in just for you. Just for you.
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[url]http://s1040.photobucket.com/home/gaurdianaq/index[/url] I have a better picture in that album
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[url=http://twitpic.com/1x14yx/full]ZOMG IT'S THE SPIKER![/url]
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lol, it took me half an hour to read this wall of text, but i made it :p Spiker FTW
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROCK3TTman24 this guy has some serious issues if he spent hours talking about a weapon in a game. go outside and get some sunshine.[/quote] maybe he wrote it while outside... O____o
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROCK3TTman24 this guy has some serious issues if he spent hours talking about a weapon in a game. go outside and get some sunshine.[/quote] It took me a month to write that in the free time I had when I wasn't studying for College.
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this guy has some serious issues if he spent hours talking about a weapon in a game. go outside and get some sunshine.
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a most glorious return. BUNGLE LIVES ON!!!!!
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Good man. You know, I probably never would have realized how awesome dual Spikers are if your logic hadn't made me curious about them. [Edited on 06.15.2010 10:51 AM PDT]
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I've honestly never had any reason to think that Spikers wouldn't be in Reach. We've known Brutes would be in Reach for a while and the presence of the Hammer confirmed it for me. [Edited on 06.15.2010 10:19 AM PDT]
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It has very good evidence and also Bumping this thread now that we know the spiker IS confirmed for reach as of today :D
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Hylebos [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Plasma3150 Also because the Covenant is lacking in the Red Department =([/quote] ...Do you hear that? It's the sound of one thousand Elite Majors weeping because they were forgotten.[/quote]Sure, they have the armor coloring, but beyond that, hardly aything else. It just seems odd that their vehicles and weapons are all in the Mid-right (Mid being purple, and blue being right) end of the spectrum, and lacking in left (Red). In Halo 2, Red Plasma was everywhere, along with the Spectre. Elite Majors were in an abbundance. In Halo 3, however, the color was only seen in those Grunt Majors and the now rare Elite Majors. In ODST, Red was barely brought back into the light with the return of the Brute Plasma Rifle and the Red Drones. Unfortunately, the Brute Plasma Rifle was just a reskinned version of the regular, and Red Drones are sort of rare. It makes me weep... [Edited on 06.13.2010 10:31 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Plasma3150 Also because the Covenant is lacking in the Red Department =([/quote] ...Do you hear that? It's the sound of one thousand Elite Majors weeping because they were forgotten.
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I like the Spiker and all, but I like the Brute Plasma Rifle even more. Sure, it's a little redundant, but, realistically, it would do far more damage. I would love to see it act like a Light Machine Gun (Mostly because it is the closest thing to one in the Haloverse). Also because the Covenant is lacking in the Red Department =(
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Dark Neptune Here's hoping the Spiker feels heavier, longer like an actual rifle, and the firing and "clagging" metallic sound of the weapon feels more badass. :)[/quote]I think the weapon could use being really wide and short (height, not length). That'd give it a really distinct shape. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] iRickles You say you like Spikers... but in Halo 3 you've used the Needler more than the Spiker. Someone's lying here![/quote]Gasp. Hylebos, deny it all!
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ghostnubelost15 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] iRickles You say you like Spikers... but in Halo 3 you've used the Needler more than the Spiker. Someone's lying here![/quote] So the Spiker has to be his most used gun in order for it to be his favorite? Halo 3 is a BR dominated game, I don't know why seeing the BR as his top weapon of destruction is any surprise. [/quote]This. I mean, I love the needler, but I have more kills with the sniper, which I suck with.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] iRickles You say you like Spikers... but in Halo 3 you've used the Needler more than the Spiker. Someone's lying here![/quote] So the Spiker has to be his most used gun in order for it to be his favorite? Halo 3 is a BR dominated game, I don't know why seeing the BR as his top weapon of destruction is any surprise.
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The Spiker was always my favorite weapon and I really hoped they'd put it in Reach, though I knew it was unlikely. But you have done it for me. So thanks.
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Topic- 5/5* Anyway, I didn't read it all but from what I read it was an impressive argument. Well, with brutes confirmed, [i]one can only hope.[/i]
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So when are you going to update the thread that Brutes are officially confirmed in Reach, so that practically means the Spiker is returning? BTW if it comes back I think it was all because of this thread.
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Spiker would be nice. I always enjoyed killing people with the weapon deemed as most useless in the game. Every game needs a fun weapon.
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Brutes. So, the Spiker is all but confirmed now?
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Quote from the latest Bungie Weekly Update... "Brian especially likes the new Brutes." Cookiez.
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Its a sad day when a[url=http://www.bungie.net/Online/Halo3UserContentDetails.aspx?h3fileid=93267467] grunt beats a brute[/url] in a close quarters fight! haha it looks like hes kicking it! Maybe he should have used his spiker. :P [Edited on 06.10.2010 7:27 AM PDT]
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yeahhh i'm not reading a 7 post essay on why a pointless weapon should come back... so i disagree with whatever you said.
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He knows the needler is supeior in heart.