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originally posted in:B!g h3ad 1ong p!pe
Edited by muzzy129:
9/26/2016 5:25:08 PM
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Thorn Where it stands in destiny (BUNGIE PLEASE READ)
So first off if you were there in year one you know how op this weapon used to be and it did deserve a nerf. Mark of devourer used to do 7 ticks of damage for 7 full seconds, which basically means if you were critical health, or almost critical, you were dead. Then it was nerfed to 5 ticks of damage for 4 full seconds, which in my opinion it was balanced, thorn was still good but no longer overpowered, now in year 3 over the corse of time it has been nerfed a total of 5 times. Now thorn does 2, or 1 ticks of damage (depending) for 1 full second, and the base damage and final round was nerfed, it's now in my opinion is garbage, I never use it now, personally I think it needs some kind of buff so what do you guys think, keep this weapon garbage, make it even more garbage, or be reasonable and buff the damn thing please. I hope bungee reads this
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1 ReplyLove how we went full circle with Thorn. First to "NERF THORN" then to "BUFF THORN".
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Buff every weapon in the game!! Or just give all PVPer's giant vags to hit each other with! The more kills the more salt that drips and sticks to people.
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62 Replies[b]Thorn doesn't need a buff. I will explain why you should stop asking for a buff on a balanced weapon. :)[/b] The notorious thorn that seems like half the community enjoys needs a buff? But the true question is why won't players admit that in the current state of thorn they cannot use it in crucible. Also the current thorn is it bad at all, you just need more practice. Stop asking for a buff when you know the rest of the community despises thorn. Balance those not mean a weapon is easy to use and easy to get kills. Learn to be rewarded by killing a guardian in the crucible. Let me explain, by first stating that most players would not admit they cannot use thorn and think the solution for them to do better with thorn is to buff it. Like why those thorn need a buff? Is it because you can't practice and get better with it? Or haven't you learn that buffing weapons won't allow you to defeat guardians in the crucible that are higher skilled than you. Buffing thorn might make everyone use it. Now the problem your going to have with that is that higher skilled players are being invited to use a buff thorn at their own free will. A player who already those well with hand cannons and can out gun you and out perform you in the crucible will always have the better advantage with a buff thorn. You think that because a better player those well with a hand cannon like for example eyasluna or a good high rate of fire hand cannon, that buffing thorn will give you the advantage? I'm sorry but it will not help you. Admit it you just want a buff thinking thorn will help you get easy kills. Now get back to the crucible and practice because defeat comes to us all, even myself.
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Buff the the damage and poison to taken king level but make the stats (Day 1) VANILLA not HoW level. [spoiler]So many dumb people thought it was weak in vanilla... idiots.[/spoiler]
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Why is everything separated by commas? haha It needs to be brought back to its Y1 state.
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They should buff it to do more damage to enemies of the darkness when they are poisoned so it could rekt reavers am i roight
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In pve dot doesn t work 😂 try it lol
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1 ReplyThe gun is cool, but artifact or not PVP does not need a repeat of year one. Bungie does not know how to buff/nerf weapons without making a mess. The gun should have stayed retired!!!
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1 ReplyBungie really mess up with gun. Seriously, what dumbass thought nerfing a gun five or six times was a good idea.
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Definitely in need of a buff, if at least a little. I spent hours today getting it only to be sorely disappointed when I got to crucible to use it. Still in love with it.
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1 ReplyThe only buff it needs is something that will comply with Silimar. If you use Silimar, the Thorn becomes a 2 shot headshot, one body shot. That's worse than the legendary Eyasluna.
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I would rather not see another buff due to it being pretty balanced at the moment. Would hate to see another Thorn meta with the shotguns being the rulers of crucible being bad enough. I say either make EVERYTHING overpowered or EVERYTHING underpowered, it would just make yhe crucible fun and balanced again. (I would rather underpowered so you have to work for kills and don't die every two seconds)
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Edited by KannibalKlown: 9/27/2016 6:03:50 PMEven after that first nerf, the issue was it made Crucible less fun even if it wasn't overpowered. Why? Because it turned Crucible into Hide-and-Seek. Someone whips out a Thorn and tags a couple of people... then everyone scurries away like cockroaches for half a minute until the DoT wears off. They come back, get tagged again, then run away. I admit, I did the Monty Pyton "Run away! Run away!" more than once when it was in the map. Is there any way to make it balanced and fun in PvP? I think the only way is with the new artifact that reduces DoT in Crucible. A) Make Thorn too good and it's over-powered. B) Make Thorn mediocre and it makes crucible slower and less fun. (Artifact solves it... kind of) C) Make Thorn too weak and it's useless. D) Take away Thorn DoT entirely and it's just a cool looking handcannon - DoT was part of its charm ...
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Am I reading this right? NERF thorn right? Jk, I think it needs a buff and j think I need the quest to drop!
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Nerf it until it's gone and buried.
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year 3 version may be different
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21 RepliesEdited by Angelis101: 9/27/2016 10:36:20 AMUnlike omg-kayla, and as an avid consistent player from beta, I agree that thorn needs a buff. Now let me explain why this is fine. 1. Year one thorn wasn't good because the dot was good. Year 1 thorn was good because it had scout rifle like range, high fire rate, and aim assist that made it literally the perfect weapon. The dot that gave it 2 hit kill potential and tracking was the icing on the cake. (Ask anybody who used TLW or a good pulse rifle. They didn't fear thorn. They both did what thorn could do but better and had better TTK's. Thorn was just more versatile) 2. Right now thorn suffers from the global hand cannon changes and a poor overly nerfed exotic perk. Thorn doesn't need a damage buff as it falls into the 3 hit kill with 2 headshot archetype. However, it's range and aim assist are so bad it is the only hand cannon that's less consistent than hawkmoon. If we buff thorn it needs a base stat buff. And maybe a slight dot buff. Like 10 damage over 2 seconds. Nothing more. The dot still does its job of preventing shield recharge time without a damage increase but the gun is so inconsistent because of hand cannon bloom and it's aim assist makes it incredibly hard to consistently get headshots even at "optimal" range. 3. In conclusion it needs a consistency buff. It needs to be able to hit the target when you pull the trigger and the dot needs a slight damage buff. I feel like thorn would be usable and in wouldn't mind seeing it again as it was my second exotic and still is my personal favorite. But I in no way want to see it at its former glory. Our meta is to slow and these changes won't even put it close to its former glory
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If they make the gun that inconsistent at range, they could at least buff the dot again. I mean ther is the DoT-Artifact now sooooo .... might as well show a little love and put the thorn back to year 2 values
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1 ReplyYou were right in your thoughts but Bungie knew if they brought it back without yet another nerf in spite of it being balanced the salt would cover even their new mountain top social space so they pre nerfed it so there could be no complaints. Simple as that. There are no "EXOTIC" items now just gold colored legendary items.
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Don't forget that it got an additional range nerf!
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In both yes. If it became a great PvE weapon I would at least buy rise of iron. Until I see buffs to improve aggressive gameplay. I won't fork over $30.
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Agree and bump
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In PvE yes in PvP hell no
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6 RepliesI don't know if it's just my aim, but since the most recent nerf to range, I feel like I've been missing more and more shots with Thorn. It simply doesn't feel consistent (for me anyway). Only bringing this up as accuracy is intrinsically tied to the range perk of a weapon, and seeing as how the range stat was nerfed by a whopping 25%, I'm starting to feel less accurate.
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2 RepliesBias poll is biased
