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Edited by ironBill: 9/10/2016 11:44:27 AM
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For the record, and for the naysayers who say this was an accident, posts of known issues elsewhere in the forum clearly show the removal of the bounties was intentional in advance of changes to Iron Banner. Speaking for myself, I'm not really upset about losing the marks - they aren't that difficult to replace. However, it could just as easily have been something I did care about, and the flippant way this business was conducted shows a lack of regard for the customers. The reason people have learned to hold onto things from one DLC to another is because of the dearth of information Bungie releases about anything coming to us. They want to dangle content in front of us, work us up, so they are never too specific before something drops. They *WANT* us to speculate wildly. They *WANT* us to engage in spirited debate about what is coming. They don't care if we are right or wrong, they just want us to talk about it. They want the buzz. There would never have been any confusion about this if Bungie had been specific about the Iron Banner changes. Their comments have been limited more to what wouldn't happen than to what would. They said the incremental daily buff would be going away. They said bounties would be different. No specifics. We've been burned by this before. I wonder how many people wish they'd kept that first set of armor from VoG when HoW dropped and we found out all old armor could be infused! And what about weapons? I had a Shadow Price I wish I'd kept, I know that! What about materials that were exchanged for rep or rank? The list goes on and on. If we had all deleted our extra bounties like some armchair quarterbacks have suggested, there's a fair chance (and history shows us this) it would have bitten us. I felt like it was wiser to just hang onto them and see what happened. I had nothing to lose - either they would be useful or they would not. And then we come to the real problem. It's almost two weeks before the drop of RoI, and Bungie does a huge download in preparation. They told us that. What they didn't tell us is they would be taking those bounties from us. This is the inexcusable part. What possible harm could there have been to simply post, "Hey, if you have any remaining bounties, cash them in - they won't work in RoI!" Problem solved, crisis averted. But no, that's not how it went, did it? No, Bungie decided to just pull the trigger. Rather than use their outlet of information here on the forums, we just get a "surprise". I don't care what side of the fence you're on, the "You should have known better" or the "You never know with Bungie", you can't dismiss this one point; they knew in advance what this patch would do and did not tell us. This cannot be explained away, parsed, or excused. I don't care about the marks, let me be clear. I care about the communication, or lack thereof. I care that things I have spent time accumulating get jerked from me without warning. I care that Bungie continues to blunder along this PR path, making unforced errors that are truthfully rooted in their disregard for the time players invest. They want us to be invested players. They structure the game for invested players. They want people to care. Then when something like this happens they and their surrogates come back with "It's only a game".
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  • *Slow clap*.... *More clapping*... *Even more..* *Enthusiastic Standing Ovation!!!* *Que "In the Heat of the Moment"*....

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  • Edited by BoomerSooner51: 9/11/2016 4:21:19 AM
    Screw you, buddy. And your pretty words and logic and well thought out post. When I learned they had deleted all of my IB bounties, my first reaction was that I wanted to punch somebody in the mouth. But here you come with your rational thinking and articulate post. Asshole. You're making me look bad.

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  • Heh. Actually made me laugh out loud, and I don't mean the quiet way where you really don't make any noise. I'm talking the waking the family, making the dog bark and the neighbors scream sort of laugh.

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  • Glad you caught the sarcasm, I was laying it on pretty thick. Yet, there are still some in this community who would have thought I was being serious.

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  • C'mon. It was pretty over-the-top. You can't worry about that. Pretty obvious to anyone that knows you.

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  • Could not have said it better, Iron Bill.

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  • Exactly. I'm not going to lose sleep over it. But honestly in the moments after the update in my excitement for ROI, I was immediately shut down with the removal of my bounties. It's not a good feeling going into this dlc. I shouldn't be bummed out. I should be excited. I feel like I have enough accounts all over to know what communication Bungie gives us. I read the articles. I listen to the interviews. I follow them on twitter. I just don't understand why they couldn't have announced it. They left the impression bounties would remain. I mean I'm right now looking at a boon on my Titan. Why is that there? And the bounty that bums me out the most is the 1 I had for like 6 IBs to get 1st in a winning game. I was proud of that and I've made no bones about my pvp skill. I'm not good at it. I've played through all this red bar lag BS..just for poof. Gone. I'm not happy. NOT HAPPY

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  • I love my boons

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  • Edited by Lost Sols: 9/10/2016 5:57:01 PM
    That's it exactly. We've been so excited about RoI and had so much fun preparing for it and this was just so unnecessary on their part and like you said, it just took some of that shine off (and then their graphics snafu took off a bit more... Literally) I was there and know what you invested in that IB and what it meant when you got that bounty completed. It was a really cool moment and for you to not get to cash that bounty in is really sad. Hopefully your post and all the support it's received will help Bungie avoid situations like this in the future. It would also be nice if they weighed in here.

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  • I feel you on the weekly bounty that requires you to be top overall. For us plebs that's a tough one to get. Communication shouldn't be so hard for Bungie. These types of things don't have to happen. It's probably one of the main gripes I have with them, actually... that clear communication isn't a thing. I work for a large school corporation. You can bet we couldn't get away with treating our customers this way. Every single thing we do is clearly discussed before implementation. Public notices, public meetings, etc. Obviously this is a game company, but the concept is the same; if you want to avoid as much trouble as possible, be as clear as possible.

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  • I agree fully. It would have required no effort whatsoever to type "Upon the Sept. 8th update Iron Banner Bounties will be removed, so cash them in while you have a chance!" Not only does the lack of communication irritate me, but I lost 50+ marks that could've been the difference between a purchase or two. 50+ marks is NOT a small number considering that's a significant margin of your full capacity. We put all that time into saving them and completing them and just...gone. No warning, no heads up, nothing. 50 WASTED marks. To think they went to waste instead of being used at all really gets under my skin. 50 marks could've bought packs of materials, vendor gear, new guns, new armor, new engrams, upgrade fuel, anything. But no, they're just gone.

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  • [quote]They want us to be invested players. They structure the game for invested players. They want people to care. Then when something like this happens they and their surrogates come back with "It's only a game".[/quote]Beautifully said.

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  • Bungie's lack of overall communication with their player base is what I feel will truly hurt them more than anything else as time passes. Well said btw.

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  • Unfortunately, the old adage "any publicity is good publicity" holds in this situation. See also: Trump, Donald

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