Shoulder charge is in a good place but jug needs a slight nerf (make golden gun pierce it and your good)

I was thinking more along the lines of make it not work in PvP. It's ridiculous that you're rewarded for doing something as small as sprinting and titans have 2 perks that reward them with an impenetrable shield or a 1 hit KO just for sprinting. With the new artifact that removes sprint cooldown in rise of iron I can see the crucible being even more unenjoyable just because of titans.

The thing is, sprinting directly at someone (with them firing at you) isn't really a good plan. Also being shotgunned mid animation for shoulder charge is a pain. Personally I've given up on shoulder charge in the crucible and have moved to jug

Jugg is just a giant pain in the ass to fight. I've shotgunned plenty of shoulder chargers today and it always feels like a teabag worthy thing. You crush their dreams as they're sprinting like a mad man at you.

So is shadestep

Shadestep is easy to beat after they kinda ruined it.

Shadestep is still OP, it allows rapid aggressive approach or instant escape from a firefight you are losing, it makes you harder to see during the animation, it disengages tracking on several grenade types and it can be instantly activated on the ground which is why 42% of nightstalkers use it plus another 36% use the Graviton helmet which really means 78% of all nightstalkers use it. Compare this to the hit that the Twilight got, it went from being the most used Titan exotic to now having around 10% usage. The nerf hit the TG much harder than SS as SS was MUCH better to begin with. Shoulder charge is fine and certainly needs no nerf, Jug is a little OP but the Titan class is underpowered compared to the other classes in PVP to begin with anyway. Edit: When I typed the above I didnt realise the stats I was looking at were only for control, the percentages do differ across gametypes but I have no inclination to do that much maths to work out the proper figures. I stand by what I said though, the TG took a much bigger comparative hit than SS did.

You saying Shadestep is OP is literally the stupidest thing I've ever heard. If your good, you can kill someone shadestepping, especially in the 3 seconds between each usage. And also, you can't get a kill with Shadestep. You're just plain stupid. Also, Hunters were never as OP as Titans. Titans have always been and always will be crutch until Bungie decides to fix that incredible overpowered class. I think you forget that EVERYONE called for a Nerf on Sunbreaker, including Hunters and Warlocks, and even the Titans who used Defender. You're so ignorant.

LMAO, wow you call me ignorant!!!! To say that Titans are and always have been OP is the most ignorant thing I've seen written on these forums. Look at the KD stats, Hunters are highest (yes even after the recent nerfs). Look at the top players in the world they all use Hunters. Listen to Bungie devs talking about the different classes they themselves admitted that Titans are a weaker class for PVP. Sunbreakers were OP.........for two months, now they are sh1t! Ignorance is all to do with lacking knowledge on something, you are very much lacking.

How are you gonna blame Hunters crucible KDs? Not our fault Hunters actually take skill to use. I also know plenty top tier Players who use Titans, so your counter argument is invalid. But It's funny because Titans have the most armor and Hunters are supposed to be the most agile, but Striker Titans can easily beat Hunters even with max agility, while the Titan has Max Armor. Defenders have Mini Tether grenades. Strikers have a one-hit melee that they can spam the whole game, which also comes with incredible Tracking. Golden Gun can't even one shot a Striker mid-super if he has Unstoppable on. And a Bladedancer can't one hit a single Titan using ANY super, yet Titans smash and a single hammer (even after the nerf) can one hit any of the 3 Hunter supers. Again, how were Hunters OP? You're sound so stupid trying to defend Titans when you have no idea what you're really talking about, you don't know shit. They're crutch enough, sit down kid.

LMAO look at the sh1t you are talking. So you think that Hunters have a higher KD as better players use them? They are the most used class so that means most players have higher skill?? That makes no sense. I'm not getting into specifics with you as you are an idiot and are ignoring the stats and only talking anecdotally, plenty of your statements arent even correct either. Look at the stats, look at what the devs have to say then come back and make an argument........Kid!

Lol you're not saying anything now because you have nothing to back your statements up. Titans are the easiest class to use, Warlocks are the hardest to get used to, Hunters take more skill. I'm not talking shit, I'm just stating facts. You're the one taking it as shit talking because you can't prove me wrong and don't like hearing the truth. Get over it.

[quote]How are you gonna blame Hunters crucible KDs? Not our fault Hunters actually take skill to use.[/quote] - I answered this already, Hunters are the easiest to use due to easy mode jumps and someof the singlemost best perks in the game SS and quickdraw. [quote]I also know plenty top tier Players who use Titans, so your counter argument is invalid.[/quote] - Much more use Hunters or Locks, good players are good players full stop but you see more top tier using hunters. [quote]But It's funny because Titans have the most armor and Hunters are supposed to be the most agile, but Striker Titans can easily beat Hunters even with max agility, while the Titan has Max Armor.[/quote] - Hunters are the most agile, with jumping, footspeed, strafing, sliding. Titans can go faster in a straight line and when there arent many obstacles. They also have to do it in mid air being unable to fire whilst doing so. Do you even skate bro? [quote] - This is tech Defenders have Mini Tether grenades.[/quote] - Yep one of the best nades in the game, they have a terrible super for PVP though. [quote] Strikers have a one-hit melee that they can spam the whole game, which also comes with incredible Tracking.[/quote] - SC is not at all overpowered, the stats show that both other perks in the tree outperform SC, again do a little research first. Hunters however have a broken OHK melee that all to often procs from the front. Throwing knife nerf wasnt deserved though. [quote]Golden Gun can't even one shot a Striker mid-super if he has Unstoppable on.[/quote] - Oh no the most OP super in the game cant kill another super designed for shutting supers down if he specifically specs for it. Shut up! [quote]And a Bladedancer can't one hit a single Titan using ANY super,[/quote] - Arcblade is great but pails in comparison to the BD neutral game, probably the best in the game. Again look at the stats. [quote]yet Titans smash and a single hammer (even after the nerf) can one hit any of the 3 Hunter supers. Again, how were Hunters OP?[/quote] - Hammers fire MUCH slower than you can spam arcblade. SB is sh1t after the initial nerf and has never really become competitive again, mainly due to having such a terrible neutral game. Personally I think any roaming super should not be able to OHK a single shot super. [quote]You're sound so stupid[/quote] - Oh the irony [quote] trying to defend Titans when you have no idea what you're really talking about, you don't know shit. They're crutch enough, sit down kid.[/quote] - I have much more playtime than you, much better stats and most importantly I do more research and look at what the stats and the devs themselves say. I think you are really the one that doesnt know sh1t.......kid!

You do not know how to use a Titan correctly if you think a Defender Bubble is terrible for PvP and Titan Skating is only used for straight line running, you must really suck. That's what shoulder charge and Twilight Garrison are for. You just don't know how to use a Titan correctly lmfao. And to your comment to Bladedancers one hit Blink Strike, because that's the only one were you actually might have a slight chance of a point, it isn't consistent. As for shoulder charging, you can constantly spam and one hit, and you can practically do a 180 with the incredible and completely unnecessary tracking on Shoulder Charge. The chances of you getting that lucky one hit while in front of someone with a Blink Strike is very slim, and most times, you're gonna die. Again, you have literally nothing to say other than "Top tier players use Hunters." When like you said, they're good with all classes. People like TrueVanguard are best on Warlocks, while SirDimetrious, EnragedCinema, and jmpdoublexx are best on Titans. Doesn't matter if they're top tier, it depends on play style. And again, Hunters have the highest KDs because people that use them are actually good. I think you're done now, you basically ran out of things to say and now your just repeating the same old shit. I already proved you wrong, so I'm just gonna excuse myself from your incredibly stupid argument. Hunter Master Race

LOL I dont know how to use a Titan! Says the guy with neg KD and W/L ratios on ALL his characters!! Your argument that people that use Hunters are simply better players is just utter nonsense. If you think SC is OP then you simply dont know how to counter it and are obviously a scrub, your PVP stats would seem to suggest this is the case. [quote]Again, you have literally nothing to say other than "Top tier players use Hunters." [/quote] - What I have been saying more than anything else is that you do not know about or more likely not know how to interpret the stats and you havent listened to any Bungie dev interviews. You are simply wrong.

You really shouldn't be one to talk about KDs. You have 1.00s on all your characters except your Hunter, which is a 1.1. You're BARELY making it above me, yet literally all I go for is cool no scopes and trick shots. It's funny how you act like your stats are SO much higher then mine when your barely above by literally a couple points. It's actually quite pathetic. Again, you don't know shit. I know I said I was done last time but I promise now I'm done, because now I shut you down on everything you had to say and couldn't address any other point I made. Goodbye now

Lmao twilight garrison only has 10% my ass. Every -blam!-ing Titan I run into is using it because they're all pathetic scrubs who have to use it with universal remote to get a -blam!-ing kill.

Shadestep was nerfed hard