See my edit two. You still would just not every time with bad luck.

The system is fine as it is if you can't get to lighthouse then you didn't work hard enough there is no need for a badge or career addition to it doing so would take away from the only end game competitive content. Just because there is something in the game doesn't mean you're meant to experience it if you can't work hard enough to get there.

What exactly does it take away from it that bothers you? Because my suggestion is more competitive. And rewards the best of the best still.

"Do you actually want casuals to have to go against the best in the game that rng can provide?" Anything but this takes away from it being truly competitive in any way. And a big flaw in your "If people know they won't face as many career trials players later in the weekend more would play later on and by virtue of that also make the end of the weekend a little more lower skill friendly for just one trip per week per character." What if someone can't play later in the weekend or on a day that they wont face career trial players? Is it just screw them because they can't play on the easy mode day of the week? How is that fair or make it more competitive? Adding a easy mode day of the week isn't more competitive. Again not all content is meant for all players to play/beat. If you can't kill hard Oryx, max PoE or lighthouse trials it's on you and you alone.

[quote]"Do you actually want casuals to have to go against the best in the game that rng can provide?" Anything but this takes away from it being truly competitive in any way.[/quote] Competitive is relative. Bragging rights and rewards for being the best of the best are not and my suggestion still preserves that just not with weapons as much. I also left out the best in the game constantly in that quote. I'm asking for a chance for later in the weekend to just hit 5 wins before hitting a wall of 8th time flawless that weekend players with not just higher skill than me but well over 2.0 kd. The bottleneck tiers create wouldn't work it would have to be able to still match flawless players with non flawless but with my suggestion even if I do come up against those teams I get a chance at a reward for over coming that. I completely understand my suggestion won't even get me flawless for a while. Just a more fair chance and maybe the second package. [quote]And a big flaw in your "If people know they won't face as many career trials players later in the weekend more would play later on and by virtue of that also make the end of the weekend a little more lower skill friendly for just one trip per week per character." What if someone can't play later in the weekend or on a day that they wont face career trial players? Is it just screw them because they can't play on the easy mode day of the week? How is that fair or make it more competitive? Adding a easy mode day of the week isn't more competitive.[/quote] Like I said it's a chance not a guarantee. And I'm talking about not getting matched with the best of the best as often not only getting matched with easier matches. And that argument doesn't really hold. This game is full of that with the sleeper simulant quest and the daily missions when they were locked to daily only. If they play early in the weekend it's the same as now. Later there will just a few less streamers and full trials gear sweaties to worry about since it is like a job for many of them. [quote]Again not all content is meant for all players to play/beat. If you can't kill hard Oryx, max PoE or lighthouse trials it's on you and you alone.[/quote] That logic just goes right out the window for me when your go from static pve difficulty to a game mode that's again dependent on getting lucky enough to not be woefully outclassed all weekend and only getting worse as population decreases.

Still competitive content of the game if they can't get 5 wins that on them if they can't get that they don't deserve whatever loot drops that week. This is the one game mode you gotta bring your A game or you shouldn't get jack shit. If you want a fair chance at a package or a second package don't suck get a team that knows what they are doing or practice and try your best if you don't get anything you don't deserve anything. Yeah less streamers just about the last thing this game would need. They're free advertisement for their game. In no way would this be beneficial for them to change the only competitive game mode of the game worth streaming and have fewer streams of their game out there. Your logic is the only one going out the window wanting a easy mode to 5 wins to people who don't deserve the gear because they allow themselves to get outclassed. Regardless if the population is decreasing they shouldn't change a system that works fine and as it should. Not all aspects of the game are for everyone.

[quote]Still competitive content of the game if they can't get 5 wins that on them if they can't get that they don't deserve whatever loot drops that week. This is the one game mode you gotta bring your A game or you shouldn't get jack shit. If you want a fair chance at a package or a second package don't suck get a team that knows what they are doing or practice and try your best if you don't get anything you don't deserve anything.[/quote] So to you asking for just a smaller chance at not going against 3.0s by the end of the weekend is too much to ask? For most people this would only mean getting one more package. Lighthouse would still be difficult and you wouldn't be guaranteed to never meet up with a badge team. Just less of a chance. Odds are you'll still have to go against strong teams with getting three characters worth of flawless chances. It would just pair the career trials players up with each other a little bit more but if the change encourages more people to play that would be negligible as more people got flawless to keep their match ups more diverse. [quote]Yeah less streamers just about the last thing this game would need. They're free advertisement for their game. In no way would this be beneficial for them to change the only competitive game mode of the game worth streaming and have fewer streams of their game out there.[/quote] What are you even talking about here? I never said less streamers can play I said someone who hasn't gone flawless is less likely to be matched with a team that has. And not exclusively so lag wouldn't be an issue. They would actually get another tier of rewards from the badge exclusive to it. And it would be far more competitive if that's what they value. Why would there be fewer streams? [quote]Your logic is the only one going out the window wanting a easy mode to 5 wins to people who don't deserve the gear because they allow themselves to get outclassed. Regardless if the population is decreasing they shouldn't change a system that works fine and as it should. Not all aspects of the game are for everyone.[/quote] It seems like you misunderstand what I want changed. There is no real downside beside being offended more people would earn flawless or rewards and more exclusive ones aren't enough for them to accept that. It would still be competitive and earned just a little bit more reward for everyone for just a little bit of accepting maybe a game modes exclusivity shouldn't be determined by people paid to play the game or have so much time on their hands it's played like a part time job as much. We can get the rewards from packages. They aren't exclusive put the pariah gear and adept weapons in the badge rewards I'll take a normal doctrine. I just want more than one realistic chance at it. Even with what I propose I won't get flawless without practice but I might get the second package.

Yes it is too much to ask for trials is not a place you go to get a participation award it's meant to be top tier game play. If the change is what makes people more encouraged to try it out then they clearly were just too lazy to put real effort into it and hope for match ups that dont represent what trials should be. "If they play early in the weekend it's the same as now. Later there will just a few less streamers and full trials gear sweaties to worry about since it is like a job for many of them." You're the one who said it first you tell me why you brought it up yourself. Yes there's a downside to changes like you want trials isn't meant for casuals it's meant to be competitive for the best of the best any changes are just catering to people who can't even put in effort to get 5 wins. You just want them cater to you so you can get a doctrine without actually having to play against the best of the best every match which is what it should be. This is the only part of the game that has any difficulty to it and works perfectly fine as it is and needs no change at all.

Ok. Just so we are on the same page. I added a tldr read to my OP. If you're saying if it's not broke don't fix it ok. I don't agree but ok. But other than that do you have a problem with that proposal? Again for the majority of people this means more packages at the end of the week is more likely and new tier of more exclusive rewards. I actually wouldn't expect flawless to increase that much and if it does that means the main reason why people weren't getting flawless was players playing after going flawless.

Only tldr you need is casual scum wants competitive loot without true competitive game play.

[quote] Again for the majority of people this means more packages at the end of the week is more likely and new tier of more exclusive rewards. I actually wouldn't expect flawless to increase that much and if it does that means the main reason why people weren't getting flawless was players playing after going flawless.[/quote] I edited this in to the last reply after you replied I think. Again id get likely one more package with some practice. With these changes. The flawless exclusivity wouldn't likely increase much and if it did it was mostly due to repeat flawless players since the matchmaking pool won't change. And you get another tier of rewards more exclusive. I want competitive gameplay. I don't want that bar to constantly be a 3.0kd team every time the population drops.

Facing 3.0kd teams are part of competitive gameplay if you don't want to play against the best you just want easy access for loot trials you have to actually put effort into it only the best deserve loot from it it's not for casuals.

Well I disagree with that philosophy and I even add a new tier of loot for that. Competition isn't always facing the best of the best. Especially when that bar raises all year.

Trials is about facing the best of the best plain and simple it's not for casuals.

This is a game not a professional sport. If the best of the best are paid for it then it's simply a stacked deck. Like I e said over and over the changes I propose would basically make trials more like how it started later in the weekend. Not easy mode. Just similar to when it had a strong population of various skill levels

Any changes to cater to casuals is a bad move on their part this is the only end game with a real challenge if people want the gear they should work hard for it end of point. You're like the people who want their kids in softball but only if everyone gets a participation award for competing.

You are describing such an extreme in not even talking about. I've countless times how it's still challenging and more rewarding for the best of the best.

It should only be rewarding for the best of the best that's what makes it the only true competitive game mode.

If you only judge competitive by how exclusive the rewards are you have no real concept of what competitive means. But again I expand your exclusive best of the best rewards. That that's not enough and all trials gear should be more exclusive even though that makes no sense since the bounties just make it rare not exclusive is silly. Like I said flawless wouldn't increase very much with my plan. Just more chances at base rewards would be significantly impacted. So even that would be more exclusive. This explains why you're so against it though. You don't just want your best of the best trophy you don't want anyone else to have even a ribbon or your trophy isn't special enough.

Compete and win you get a reward lose you get nothing pretty much sums up competitive when there is a reward at the end of it. They shouldn't change it so casual scum can get gear easier from something they aren't good at. Actually I have never seen lighthouse dipshit nor made any claim having been there so nice job assuming you've just won the idiot trophy for dumbest assumption I've seen a while. I wouldn't want anything from trials to be easier to get I earned my doctrine and it felt good. If they made it so I faced people who may not be the best of the best then it would devalue the work put into getting it. And I earned it with 2 random people from LFG with no mic usage so you're just a crappy casual who wants gear that isn't meant for them just because it's in the game doesn't mean you were meant to just have it so easily.

[quote]Compete and win you get a reward lose you get nothing pretty much sums up competitive when there is a reward at the end of it. [/quote] Competitive doesn't mean winner take all. Competitive means closet skilled teams competing creating more dynamic and close gameplay. Two lower skill teams can have a competitive match same as high skill against high skill. [quote]They shouldn't change it so casual scum can get gear easier from something they aren't good at.[/quote] Why is someone who can't invest as much time in game scum? [quote]Actually I have never seen lighthouse dipshit nor made any claim having been there so nice job assuming you've just won the idiot trophy for dumbest assumption I've seen a while.[/quote] Well I would have said sorry for assuming but you don't deserve that now. [quote]I wouldn't want anything from trials to be easier to get I earned my doctrine and it felt good. If they made it so I faced people who may not be the best of the best then it would devalue the work put into getting it. And I earned it with 2 random people from LFG with no mic usage so you're just a crappy casual who wants gear that isn't meant for them just because it's in the game doesn't mean you were meant to just have it so easily.[/quote] So really what you're saying is because you don't think you could earn the more exclusive rewards I propose you don't want doctrine, only denied to many by rng alone, rare so it stays feeling special? Be proud of your accomplishment dude. That its so determined by luck makes attaching your sense of accomplishment to its rarity silly.

Competitive you want is a watered down one catered to casuals you can't handle it so you want Bungie to make it accessible to people it's not intended for. You're casual scum because you want them to alter the only portion of the game that has any competition or difficulty you're worse then the people who whine about nerfs to weapons or classes. I don't play trials anymore because it isn't for someone who is casual at PvP which I am. But I know it's not for me and it shouldn't be made easier just so people can have a better chance at getting loot from it that's just wanting Bungie to cater to people who are garbage at PvP so they can get loot they don't deserve in a part of the game they don't belong. Trials isn't for everyone you're a perfect example of who it's not made for stick to IB. Actually I don't really attach as much a sense of accomplishment to it as you assume you're great at that. I don't even use it hell I even thought of salvaging it several times it's just pixels. You're the one who's so overly attached to gear you don't deserve or have you'd want Bungie to do anything so it's easier to get. Bottom line your casual scum who wants them to make changes to the game so you can get gear from the only hard part of the game but can't put in the effort to earn it just like everyone else who complains about how hard the gear is to get.

I'm too tired to keep going round and round dude. I add more competitive rewards too. I'm talking about reward rates of early ttk trials for the rest. Good night

That's cool quit trying to make your point like you quit trying to work for what you want in trials.

And this is why. You can no longer have a civilized discussion.