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8/27/2016 9:47:24 PM
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Stop being conformed to MIDA and use something else. I'm waiting for the day it gets nerfed. Many sweaty players KDs will drop after that. It sickens me the fact that people who use the gun think they're good.
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Oh my god, what have I done
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Unleashed a war.
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If good players use MIDA and it gets nerfed, their k/d won't change. They'll just use the next best option that they have. Since the weapons are actually pretty balanced, they have plenty of options. I'm surprised that you complain that good players use MIDA though when most of the better players use handcannons.
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I don't know any sweaty players that main Mida at all, the only one is Murdaro
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Murdaro is trash lmao
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He's been world first to the lighthouse like 15 times lol plus he has well above a 2.0k/d so I think you should reevaluate your opinion
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Already been nerfd. You just got killed by an average gun.
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The player makes the gun. Not the other way around.
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Same goes for TLW. I laugh when I see players boasting how good they think they are when the majority abuse the meta.
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It isnt op in any way, its exotic perk isnt even noticable, [i]wait what is it even?[/i]
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You say it like the gun is OP lol. Popularity and power don't equate to the same thing...
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Op in my opinion means stronger than anything else in its class. Name a better scout than mida.
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Tlaloc
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Only when super is full and only with warlocks.
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Edited by SweetOrngVegRoot: 8/29/2016 5:33:57 AMSuros DIS-47, Tlaloc, Badger CCL, and NL Shadow 701X are the first to come to mind. I'm not sure if you're referring to MIDA's archetype, or its usability overall. If you're talking about its archetype, the Suros DIS-47 has it beat, and it's only a legendary. Usability wise, there are plenty of other scouts (Or any other primary group) that can compete with MIDA. Having a strong weapon does not make it overpowered. Otherwise logic would dictate any weapon at the top of its archetype would be overpowered, that'd include guns like Lord High Fixer, Nirwen's Mercy, Truth, 1000-yard stare, Party Crasher +1 (Which has a slightly higher RoF than Conspiracy Theory-D, but less impact/range than Matador 64), Plan C, etc.. I'm sure you see where I'm going with this...there are many weapons that are slightly outside the normal archetypes, but for the most part, it hardly makes a difference overall. A Hawksaw can still kill a Nirwen's Mercy easily. Conspiracy Theory-D/Matador 64/Party Crasher +1 are just as likely to kill one another at optimal range. A Tao Hua Yuan could still kill a 1000-yard stare.... If we nerfed every little thing in the more "viable" archetypes, they would still be OP according to [Edit] you* because something will always come out on top. In that case, it'd be the [i]least[/i] awful weapon there was. Sorry ahead of time if any of this sounded offensive, I just don't share your opinion of what qualifies as OP. IMO, it represents anything that cannot be countered outside of using the same weapon. When it literally has no competition. Edit: Forgot to mention that we should keep in mind that MIDA is an [i]exotic[/i] weapon, so it's definitely more likely to stand out against the others of its class.
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Tlaloc can only compete with super full. All others no. Mida is the only scout that is good at all ranges which is its biggest issue. If mida wasnt overpowered why is it in top 3 deadliest weapons every week for over 3 months now.
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You're obviously either really good or face really bad players that you've never gotten outgunned by any of those weapons while using MIDA. Especially a pulse rifle. And MIDA is in this so called deadliest weapons group because [i]everyone[/i] and their mothers are using it. It's like this: There are 5 ducks. 2 of these ducks are really fast swimmers but terrible with debris, 2 are really good at swimming around debris but are pretty slow, and 1 is in the middle. There's a race at the end of the week involving 5 sets of these 5 ducks. You have a week to try them all out and see which you like best. There are a few top duck racing vloggers, they suggest using the underdog duck (the one who is slightly good at both speed and dodging debris). It doesn't beat all the ducks (but it comes in 3rd often enough). Everyone listens to these vloggers and decide to use the underdog duck (Minus a few who go for the fastest). At the end of the week, the ducks are listed by their percent of wins. The underdog duck is in 2nd place because 80% of racers used it. The 1st place belongs to the few who used the fast duck. Does that makes sense....(I just wanted to use the analogy involving ducks because I think they're cute) P.S. A more relative analogy would be shotguns vs snipers. There are more likely to be a higher percentage of shotgun kills than snipers because there are so many people using them and the maps promote CQ play. In reality, they're both very useful/good in their own rights.
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Im not referring to useage im referring to the weapons average kill/death ratio.
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Slower play style... Lmao you can't be serious. Are you slow?
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Considering there's no information anywhere that gives the average k/d of a weapon outside of Bungie, that's not even an option. The only stats PvP wise you can look at have been: •Bungie showing us the average time it's been equipped in crucible. •It's usage in PvP on destiny tracker (Maybe on another site, I don't actually know if it's listed somewhere else) - And its rank. It's considered to be Rank 1 because there's so many using it, a lot of which are good at crucible anyway.
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Theres an issue when the weapon has been in the top 3 every week for months now. And yes its over used and yes that means its over powered. People follow the meta. Everyone doesn't use weapons if they are bad. Thats how it goes in every game and the mida is definitely the meta.
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I have now idea what you mean by top 3 every week. Yes, MIDA is part of the meta, but that's because it's been drilled into so many people's heads that it's OP, people won't stop using. But people overusing it doesn't make it OP, otherwise Hawksaw, GoM, TLW, Conspiracy Theory-D, etc. would all be OP too. The gun is [i]good[/i], there is no doubt about that, but it's not impossible to win against. Every primary fight with MIDA works the same way with any other gun, and it's usually the first to shoot is the one to win. The same thing happened with strikers, there was a huge surge in titans for a while because everyone was convinced strikers were OP. Until they realized it wasn't the subclass making them look good, but how the player made use of it (Minus lightning grenades, they need to fix those). MIDA is good in the sense that almost anyone can pick it up and do fine with it (Much like any of the "meta weapons"), but not OP in the sense that it's unbeatable. It's no Y1 Thorn, Y1 TLW, Pre-nerf VF+Firebolt, etc.. And no matter what you say, nothing could convince me otherwise.
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The difference between hawksaw and grasp is that its not in the top 3 every week. For trials check destinytrialsreport.com that shows the top weapons for that every week. For any other playlist guardian.gg will show and mida is in the top 3 every week. That literally means its overpowered. Its not some placebo thing where oh its just people thinking its too good because its been this way for months. People who deny the mida being op are just afraid of their crutch being removed
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Edited by SweetOrngVegRoot: 8/31/2016 7:02:58 PMI'm sorry, I didn't know about the other 2 sites, but they still don't say anything about average weapon k/d (Unless the Trials one did, I couldn't really figure out how to see broad stats, it might be because I'm on my phone 😞). On the guardian.gg one, it also gave the amount of kills per week just as destiny tracker does (But seeing as how so many people are using it, that's a given). Saying that makes it OP still doesn't work with that scenario because there were other weapons I can confidently say were in the top 3 (And probably have been just as long as MIDA of not longer). TLW (Obviously), UR (Which is there for the same reason as MIDA, but will most likely lose its novelty at some point. And if it wasn't there I can guarantee Hawksaw would be.) It apparently doesn't matter how many times I say it, but Popularity doesn't equate to a gun being OP. Otherwise, guns that aren't that popular (Mostly because of RNG or it's difficult to get skill wise) and we're OP would get away with it. In Y1, a lot of people didn't have Hopscotch Pilgrim, but that gun was extremely OP (And with weapons of light you could 2 shot people). Or Gjallarhorn (Yes, PvE is a thing), Y1 Btr-d (I don't think many people had it, it might've just been my experience, but I never saw other people with it). But the fact that MIDA can be outgunned [i]consistently[/i], means there's nothing wrong with how it is. The difference between MIDA and Universal Remote, is that you don't have to play a certain way with MIDA. It's an actual good gun, MIDA stays in the top 10 for the same reason all the other weapons stay in the top 10. The reason it's #1 is because so many people were convinced it's OP, they all started using. And even though it's not OP, it's still a really good gun, so obviously they're going to keep using it. People still farm Omnigul to get GoM, because it's so desirable, it must be OP? No, it got hyped up like most other guns. It's still a perfectly good gun, so people keep using it. That's how the meta is, people like to use things that they're comfortable with and do well with. There really are no OP guns right now (Not any that have stuck out yet anyway). There are some underwhelming weapons though... Anyway, how about Eyasluna? Lord High Fixer has the same stats as Eyasluna (It actually has more AA than Eyasluna), why wouldn't it be in the top 10. Since it's a good gun, it should be up there, especially since people only use good weapons (This is sarcasm...). It's just as easy to get either weapon, so there's no reason for it to not be in the top 10 also. So popularity doesn't always amount to how good a gun is. The gun itself is the only factor, and MIDA is [i]not[/i] OP. The only way I would ever think it was, was if you could not beat it on a consistent basis. And yet, regardless of how many MIDAs there are in any given match, they don't do very well. Especially compared to a Pre-nerf Thorn since they were almost always at the top of the score board. Edit: I feel like I jumped around a lot in this, but whatever...
