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Edited by Awasprov1x:
8/23/2016 1:38:28 AM
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The tales of the fps pvp noob.
Hello everyone, this will be a different post than most of you are used to. This isn't a QQ thread, or whining about bloom. No. This will be the tale of the things I've learned while playing to be competitive in crucible and hopefully this will help others out there as well.
I've only started playing destiny rather recently (within 4 months) but I absolutely love this game while also hating it all at the same time. The reason? Crucible.
Now I haven't really played fps' since black ops one and even then I didn't pvp that much, so we can pretty much state that this is my first real fps.
Stepping into crucible was a nightmare. Getting shot from everywhere, getting melted so fast, etc.; so I did some researched, found some tips, watched some streamers, and this post is the fruit of my search and experience.
1. Watch streamers BUT DO NOT emulate their gameplay.
This is one I've figured out very recently. The streamers are good players (the ones I watch seem like gods) and the knowledge the can pass onto you can be invaluable but the way they play may not. Trying to Titan skate like ninja_with_no_l into a group of 3 to get a triple is doable for him...not for me. If I'm lucky...I get one and trade with the other. Take notes on their movement, their positions, etc but be wary of the insane pushes that they can make.
2. PvE a lot before jumping into crucible.
PvE helps get a feel for the game, the class, movement, etc. use pve to level up a subclass before going into pvp. Make sure your subclass is completely unlocked. Sometimes the last codex you unlock is the most necessary for pvp. Iron banner this week taught me this. Going in with a half leveled storm caller was getting me 3 shot in my super because I didn't have max armor.
3. Find a primary you really like.
A lot of the streamers you watch rock hand cannons and a shotgun or snipe, but hand cannons are generally high risk/high reward and take a pretty good sense of aim and accuracy to get the most out of it. If you are most comfortable using a pulse in pve, then try to use the vendor hawksaw in pvp. If you like scouts, get a mida or other scout and use it. Meta can be a hinderance to the lesser skilled player (like myself) who miss shots. Sometimes an auto rifle is best because you can just spray bullets.
4. Work on your gun skill.
Now I know I said sometimes an auto rifle is better so you can spray and pray but take a little time every time you boot up destiny to work on your aim. Spend 10-15 minutes in patrol with a hand cannon or scout and warm up your hands and eyes by trying to string as many head shots as you can. This will carry over into pvp.
5. Move from cover to cover.
Treat your character like a real soldier. Move from one piece of cover to another. Sprint between cover (not around corners). Slide into cover, slide around corners. Make yourself as hard to hit as possible.
6. Don't get upset.
This is the most important and the hardest for me. For people who enjoy pvp, they sometimes can take it to serious. Understand that if you're like me, that you're going to lose...A LOT. Your k/d is going to be under 1 a lot. But try to find things that you're doing well. Not that you're doing bad. Take the things you fell you aren't doing well and work on them, but continue to focus on the positives. The biggest thing you want to try and do in pvp, is to die less. 30 kills and 20 deaths seems really good until you think about how each of those 20 kills was at least 100 points to the opposing team. The less you die, the more likely you are to get more kills.
7. In 6v6, stick with your team or a buddy.
6v6 is hectic, chaotic, and crazy. Destiny is different than other fps in that it is almost impossible to 1v2 opponents, unless you're relatively skilled. Your best bet is to have a battle buddy and 2v1 the opposing team.
8. If you really want to get better, hop in rumble or skirmish.
Rumble will teach you very quickly that you're too aggressive or too passive. It'll teach you how to understand when it's good to challenge or get out of there. Skirmish is a lot like this too.
Edit: the radar is your biggest asset. Learn to use it and love it. Bold sections means an enemy is the same level, while darkened means they are above or below. There are plenty of sites that explain the radar much better than me, so a quick Google will help.
Well that's pretty much it. I hope I can help a few people who have been getting frustrated in crucible (like me) and hope I can show you some tips before you have to find them on your own the hard way like I did. Good luck guys.
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Every time I get tilted in PvP, I hop into PvE strikes playlist, then proceed to turn off the console because my teammates can't hit a Servitor from 2 ft away.
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I'm a hunter 311 light score just looking to do bounties invite me my gt is Its Howling
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1 ReplySolid list, but a few things. 1. Learning how to use and read your radar needs to be at the top of the list. If you don't know how to read it, you might as well be running around blind. Which is why I have NO interest in playing "Inferno". 2. PLAY THE WHOLE GAME. PVE...played smartly....will make you a better PVP player. The two biggest things that made me a MUCH better PvP player was playing in the Year One Prison of Elders, and playing The Division. a. POEs (especially in Year One) forced you to have to fight ridiculously powerful enemies in VERY tight spaces. So I got good at creating space to fight in CQC situations, and working firing angles to increase survivability MUCH faster than I would have just playing PVP. b. Weapons in The Division aren't as stable or accurate as those in Destiny. So learning to control the recoil of those weapons MARKEDLY improved my gun skills with Destiny's weapons. 3. Understanding your preferred engagement range...and how to control distance are more important than settling on one weapon. I prefer to fight at mid-range. That keeps me far enough for the super-fast twitch speed guys to neutralize some of their advantage....and closer than is comfortable for many of the really good snipers. Fast firing scout-rifles and pulse rifles are the best weapons right now for the mid-range player...though hand cannons are viable for the really skilled gunfighter. 4. Yes, Mobs rule in 6v6...but it is NOT chaotic. Threes and Rumble are like baseball. Action unfolds slowly enough so that a highly-skilled player can DICTATE the action to other players. But things move so fast in 6s, that you can't exert that kind of control unless you're super is active. Sixes is Ice Hockey of fast-break basketball. You need to be adaptable and RESPOND to the conditions as you find them. Used well, Sixes will make you a more VERSATILE player than haning out in the 3v3 or Rumble playlist. 5. You can win situations that you're outnumbered in sixes...but you need to smart, good, and make effective use of cover. You do it by moving and positioning yourself to neutralize the numeric advantage they have. Plus you need to recognize the common ploys that teams will use to try force you to make a fatal mistake. A common one is the "runner". If a team has got a 2 or 3 on 1 advantage...but you have a positional advantage....they'll often send one person running PAST your position at a full sprint hoping that you'll take the bait. Either chasing after what you're hoping will be an easy kill...or at least give away your advantage....while his buddies follow him and put a bullet in the back of your head. Another one is the equivalent of a "fork" in chess. That is sending a multi-pronged attack at you. One version of this is the "runner" with a second close on his heels. You move to attack the runner..and the follow up is right in your face. A tough one to counter is "high-low". Both rush you at the same time. But one is on the ground, while the other comes in high, hoping to evade your detection by being above your sight line. Well executed there is on direct counter to this. Your best counter is evasion. Because unless you have a massive firepower advantage, there isn't time enough to take both rushers out.
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All these tips are worthless you don't have good map awareness. You need to know where and when ammo is going to spawn, the most and least populated areas of the map and popular shotgun and sniper lanes. If you don't know how to play those factors to your advantage you're not going to do well.
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4 Replies"Whining about bloom" [spoiler]we all know it's OP[/spoiler]
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2 RepliesMy biggest problem I need to work on is sniper swiping.
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1 ReplyHere is information that should help you with challenging a sniper at long range with a primary if it has the necessary range. Stagger is your biggest friend(and enemy) in long range engagement. It only take(s) one second for a sniper to aim and shoot to head-shot you: For the good snipers it takes even less time. Snipers that know how to pre-fire around a corner are the hardest to kill at range when they also have cover. To counter sniper pre-fire you would need to use suppression fire or control spam bullets in where they will peek out. Stagger does not have a random direction value from my experience. This means that if you keep hitting them in the same spot with say a scout rifle; then they could get used to the stagger on the spot on the first hit and head-shot you still. Don't hit a sniper in the same spot more then twice(2); even then it is still better to hit a on spot and move on. For a pulse rifle this is different as you are less likely to hit the same spot thrice(3) unless your going for head-shots. You should otherwise aim for B>B>H(Body>Body>Head) for a pulse rifle at that range. If you can get this skill set down then you can conserve sniper ammo or have a different special weapon without too much worry and be a bigger asset to your team. The [u]only[/u] time this skill set will not work is when their reaction time far surpasses your trigger finger or in this case your first bullet on them; there are some cases in gunfights where this does happen or could be due to latency. You absolutely need to see if its one or thee other since you do need confidence to make this skill set work.(Same can be said for other skills in the game but more true for this set since you may use this more often or even forced into using it) Too lazy to type the rest of the skill set; but it is more beneficial for you to learn the unmentioned parts by yourself if you do pursue this skill set. Well that is all for this post for the most part, happy hunting.
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1 ReplyAll your problems can be solved with one thing, Getting some game sense. The most basic thing that separates you from the blueberries running around in crucible or any game. Game sense is a mixture of actual gun skill, predictability and common sense. There are only so many places an enemy can come through in lanes/paths and they're always be patterns in everyone's gameplay. You can also predict where enemies might look to cut off in lanes and flank or outgun them. This is usually why teammates are shit in most games because they don't have basic common game or tactical sense.
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If you go in with a positive mind, play your best you too can be like me and raise your k/d from .7 to .8
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16 RepliesEdited by diggingluke555: 8/22/2016 10:23:28 PMI'd add "if you want to get better don't use heavy" This is because I know several people who think they are good but more than half there kills are from heavy. Ps if you want to use heavy use a sword. It's fun and teaches you a lot of stuff about you positioning and knowledge of the game.
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Destiny was my first fps too. I played on a PS3 and my account name was bizminger. It took a little while but eventually I got positive kds on all 3 characters
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Thank you for this common knowledge and giving advice after admittedly never playing fps. Keep up the good work
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2 RepliesEdited by DontH8thaGravy: 8/22/2016 10:12:47 PMFor a new player, I'm extremely impressed with how much knowledge about the crucible you've achieved in such a short amount of time. I see a bright future of slaying other guardians in you;) Edit: if you want, I play the crucible a lot when I'm online and maybe we could play together sometime.
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2 RepliesReally? Nothing about radar? It seems you have much to learn
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1 ReplyThanks for the post! I just started playing Destiny a couple days ago and your tips will definitely help me out once I gain enough experience to start playing in the crucible.
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3 RepliesJust checked your account. You're doing really well for a new fps player! This is probably a good game to start on too due to the slower ttk, as it will teach you good gun and defensive skills. I never really played CoD but when I tried it I didn't like how it essentially came down to who sees who first. In fact my last true competitive game was halo 3 and before that you'd have to go all the way back to the first UT and Quake. I'm not a great player but like you I have enjoyed using this game to teach myself the skills I lost from my teenage years and it's been fun to grown and learn. Finally got my hunters all time kd to 1.0 this week, which was not easy give I have over 13k deaths on that toon and I was garbage at destiny pvp in year 1!
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3 RepliesIf you REALLY wanna be good at this game use no land beyond It'll teach you patients, when to bug out, when to reposition and when to pull the trigger as this is the most rewarding weapon in the game but it's also got the highest risk as the rate of fire is crap ammo economy is crap (if you don't die every 2 seconds) and sometimes fires randomly after you pull the trigger One time I gave up on the shot I took turned around started sprinting and the gun went off randomly
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Edited by boblin the goblin: 8/22/2016 11:31:34 PMabout the warmup thing, don't start pvp until you've killed all of the enemies in the little part in between the divide and the steppes with a hc, without shooting more than 9 bullets, (there's only supposed to be 8 enemies there. if you warm up that way that is also in 6V6 if you're in a fireteam, use a high impact weapon if you're not the best yourself but have steady aim, high impact weapons tend to be good for teamshotting.
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Or you could play another game that has actually balanced pvp.
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Lol good tips.
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1 ReplyAdd this one; Imagine you are a sniper, where would you generally be and where would you aim on the given map? Now remember not to put your head in those spaces!
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8 RepliesTip: don't play 6v6 if you want to get good at trials
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7 RepliesBiggest tip I can give as far as getting better is push yourself get out of your comfort zone. Like low sensertivity on you aim put it way up to 10 play a few games till you can handle it then turn it down to a level you like. The meta something I hate but it's the meta for a reason when starting out don't use it use guns that are obscure and underused. If you get better try the meta if it works use it. But most of all is get a team you can trust. Many times in trials I go solo to push to other team and I know my team has my back if I need to bug out. And I know that I have their back as well.
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1 ReplyThat's some solid advice.
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Agreed. Warming up, getting the feel of your weapon and having a battle buddy to run with improve your combat readiness. Can't wait to get back stateside and get reacquainted with hand-cannons via TFC, Finnala's and Eyasluna.
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Number 7 was key for me. For a long time, I would just jump into a match, watch the leaderboard to see who was crushing on my team, and then SPRINT to them on spawn to back them up. Essentially act as a second gun for them. I also played pretty cautiously, and still do really. Glad you're enjoying it!
