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Edited by USMC SNAKE EYES:
7/28/2016 2:01:06 PM
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Bring Back Weapon Re-Rolling !
I put close to 80 hours into iron banner and didn't get the roll I wanted on one of the 6 sniper rifles that dropped for me. Every other friend of mine got the roll I wanted with firefly. I had numerous worthless ghosts drop. Fix the RNG please. Other mmo games have figured this out. I don't want hand outs, just a way to enjoy the perks I want. Bring back weapon rolling since the drop rates are rare. I receive 1 weapon out of 10 packages if I'm lucky. I always say I'm gping to see Shaxx to get my armor piece. This is the only game I'm dedicated to. Please make it a little better.
Edit.. fal Chavamee has a great idea. All of us have that one weapon we love. For example, I've only got just this week two "two to the morgue" shotguns. Ironically the main perks were identical. This is after numerous weekly packages and level up packages. It would be nice to take the time to roll that one weapon for that perk we want. His idea would keep us from having numerous god rolls. Bit simply our favorite couple of weapons.
This would also make it worth leveling up the gunsmith and grinding for marks. Which it becomes pointless quickly to bother doing either.
Edit: I respect everyone's opinion. Many valid points. Also keep in mind if we can Re-Roll our favorite weapon, everyone could be on the same playing field.
Edit: I've been going into pvp with day one gear and as low of weapon levels I could get. I'm an average player on a good day. I have been doing quite well with white low level scout rifle and the first few weappns in the game. Two weeks ago I made my 13th character to obtain more of these weapons. Its been fun even when i finish at the bottom of the leader boards. Surprisingly enough on top on occasion. You might see me firing away with a low level no perk having white weapon. Its making me a better player and giving me some satisfaction. Its a good change. I recommend trying some of these unpopular weapons. Its still great to have that God roll you want. It's different for everyone. Keep up the good feedback.
Edit: The drops need to stay the same, but updated so we receive different items. Some mmo games have such a system. Once your get an item, it's taken out of your table or reduced odds of getting it again until you get the better items. I'm no expert in this area.
Edit: It seems there are many valid points. One thing most of us agree on is something needs to change.
If Re-Rolling is out of the question, please increase the drop rates significantly. People shouldn't be getting mostly armor pieves from the level up packages or weekly crucible bounties.
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Is there something I cam do to fix the all armor issue I'm having?
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Edited by USMC SNAKE EYES: 8/5/2016 4:22:14 AMUpdate: 19 level ups and only 2 weapons. This is between crucible amd vanguard to include the weekly bounties. I do understand the first couple of levels though. But this is crazy and not worth doing. Once i get the devil you know, I will be done until the new dlc is out
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Well, I leveled up the vanguard a few times the last couple of days. Low and behold, I received three armor pieces as usual. Please adjust the rewards and balance them. This continues to prove my point. Its not worth grinding away and is causing bungie to loose fans.
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Rolling was the dumbest part of the game. If you really want to roll... do it like The Division. You choose one perk and then it's locked to that one perk. Everytime you want to roll again the cost is more.
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With this thread you'll attract the type of moron that replies with:- Everyone/God rolls/do you remember HOW... These people are just going to say no, rather than suggest all perks be balanced and equally useful.
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Re-rolling killed shotguns it should never come back , the only way I would welcome it back is if it was only IB weapons but it cost a lot to do and you could only re-roll a weapon 3 times.
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Edited by Grimace221: 7/30/2016 4:34:08 AMI feel like they will bring it back one day, but it is going to be much more limited. The old way was absolutely out of control. The probably removed it till they figure out how to allow it, without it being out of control. Don't know how, maybe require marks, so at least thag currency is harder to get? Or an exotic shard? Unless you are a vet with a stockpile, they can be tough to come by. Maybe they could allow a certain number of rerolls a week. Say 1 for every rank of gunsmith up to 5 or 10, similar to buying gun packages? Then at least it slows it down a bit. Last idea, maybe force you to find the perk on a different gun first? Sort of like infusion? So say you want fitted stock, you need to find it on a gun in the same class first? Then destroy said weapon to give it the perk? On top of that charge you some materials and money, and limit how often you can do this. Also, you can only take one perk from a gun before it is destroyed, so no transferring a god roll to another gun. This way at least it forces players to find the gear first, instead of just dumping cash at the gunsmith. Of all of my ideas, this is my favorite. I gotta believe it will come back, but it must be Bungie'd first lol.
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If it did come back, it would need to be much more limited. Otherwise you'll see nothing but snipers and shotguns with the same couple of perks.
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Re rolling should be a thing. It should be much more inconvenient and costly, say 5 motes, at least 5 legendary marks, possibly strange coins.
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1 ReplyThe real core problem is that most perks (the majority) are complete garbage, and any gun with them is immediately crippled compared to a gun with exclusively good perks. Which obviously means that the majority of rolls are trash. We have the same problem now we had with rerolling but right now people have to go through massive grinds to get it. It's artificially pumped up game time, nothing more. If they cared about weapon balance (or balance in general) *at all* they would fix far more of the perks to be good so that far more rolls are viable. If you had a pretty decent chance of getting *any* good roll people wouldn't feel the desperate need to fix 99.9999999999999999999999999999999999999% of the weapons that drop for them. Now, that also means they'd also slow/stop grinding *for that one specific gun* sure. Like I could stop playing the #$%^&* Omnigul strike and move on to hunting something else I'm interested in instead of playing that same crap over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over to get the same NOTHING I got the last 40 times. But all they care about is inflating playtime. Given the percentage of rolls that are garbage you'd think it'd be okay to actually drop occasionally, but no, I've done omnigul, I dunno I've lost count, probably 50 plus times in the last couple of weeks, even managing to kill her at the first part for a second kill a few times, and only one single garbage roll grasp has dropped. Oh she keeps dropping purples, and it keeps getting my hopes up, only for it to be a garbage pair of boots, again.
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What about a 1 time re-roll system to keep a bit of balance to prevent people from having God-rolled snipers and shotties
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Edited by HevyEdge: 7/28/2016 11:30:02 AMI agree. If there are going to be shit perks like Surrounded, Partial Refund, and Guerrilla Fighter, we need at least some form of rerolling. Let's also not mention that fact that perks like fitted stock are completely useless compared to perfect balance or smallbore. Smallbore has a larger increase in stability compared to fitted stock on top of a range bump. Like seriously? Bungie: "Dood, we need a perk that like has a smaller stability increase so it's completely overshadowed by every other stability increase with no extras." *falls out of chair drunk*
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1 ReplyNo re-rolling. Everyone will have same weapons again. Bungie want diversity in their weapons. If they bring back re-rolling, there will be no diversity.
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1 ReplyAnyone who addresses this with the counterargument of "every gun would be the same, everyone would just go for the god roll", there's two serious issues that you're not taking into consideration. 1. those god rolls exist in the game whether or not you can reforge for them. The only difference is that only a small elite chosen by the RNG Gods will ever see them. 2. if god rolls existing in general is an issue for you (which I completely understand and agree with), then protest for the buffing of various perks. Some perks like Firefly are freaking amazing. Perks like Icarus are worthless. Get Icarus and stuff buffed so that "the god roll" either doesn't exist, or the next best thing, it's barely better than the alternatives. I think a few people would actually use Icarus if it was remotely worth using. So yes, I think reforging should never have left. All taking it out did was increase the grind, which I know was Bungie's aim, but it wasn't a good goal.
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1 ReplyI hated rerolling. A god roll weapon should be a rare special thing, not a guarantee on any weapon you want it on. It was game breaking imo. Everyone wants the best EVERYTHING so everyone ends up having the same everything, where's the fun in that? IB drops would be boring if you knew you just needed one to reroll the crap out of? Your friends got better roll sniper? So what? Be happy for them, next time you get a better roll hand cannon maybe.
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Agreed. Bring back re-forging, just make it more expensive to do. Maybe 2500 glimmer, 25 weapon parts, and 10 motes for each re-roll. This at least keeps the grind alive on 2 fronts.
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The problem with rerolling is it kills weapon variety. People get one weapon, then just reroll it over and over to get that[u][/u] perfect god roll. Not to mention how many perks are just trash anyways. If there was greater variance in worthwhile perks, it'd be worth bringing back. That said, I'd be all over it if they brought back rerolling Iron Banner weapons.
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How about xûr selling a reroll token for 20 strange coins or so¿ just a thought
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I liked reforge it was a great idea that was poorly executed. But at that time perks were more free wheeling. You could get real killer combos that you can't get now. However if it was to make a return I agree with some of the others in how it should be limited. A weapon should only be able to be reforged a certain amount of times. Or Certain perk slots are the only things that can be rerolled. I also like the it can only be done on arms day. Lastly it should cost and cost big no matter how it is done. It should cost more each time you do it as well. Parts, mats, marks, all consumables should be on the table. This could lead to weapons with blank rolls that you have to not only unlock, but buy perks that are randomly rolled for each spot as you unlock it. Granted many will cry just as we do now about the y1 weapons being better. That is going to happen no matter what.
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At least you get weapons. All I ever get are armor/class items. I FINALLY was gifted with a Lord High Fixer but it's a so-so roll. Since RNG has been broked for quite some time, I think re-rolling would be a good idea provided that it costs a pretty penny (or glimmer) to do and there is a limit to how many you can do in a week. If re-rolling was enabled again, perhaps you could do one gun per character, per week. It could cost 2500 glimmer and some weapon parts, maybe some other materials as well. Seeing how some of us either never get weapons we want or get one with crappy rolls, this would alleviate the "fix the RNG" posts in the forums. This or just start selling the weapons somewhere and make everyone shut up.
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I would say no to weapon rerolling, but I'd kill to be able to reroll armor for different stats and perks. I hate getting a piece of gear that gives bonuses to arc kills when I'm playing night stalker.
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As much as I would to re roll my Eyasluna to a God roll I would be seeing everyone have one and it would be total chaos
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Edited by DukeRains: 7/28/2016 2:44:01 PMThey took it out for a reason. It's not good for the game. Everyone running around with god rolls of the best guns isn't what Bungie wants in their game. they said so when they took out weapon re-rolling. lol
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if everyone could reroll for god rolls wouldnt this make the crucible more balanced due to an even playing field, then it comes down to skill and connections and no more nerfs, i didnt crucible much in how but used to reroll for pve i also used to like reroll in iron banner at least that should come back, i had 6-8 nerwins drop and none useable so had to buy the vendor roll
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"I'm an average player on a good day" Or "I suck at crucible don't pick me up for trials"
